About honor killings (10 Viewers)

[Azzurri7]

I didn't say they got punished, and i didn't say they don't get punished. I said that under Sharia law, both should be punished.

Ah, I see.

Sharia law is overrated I think.

 

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[Yamen]

about time.

 

[Martin]

Ah, I see.

Sharia law is overrated I think.

like Zlatan?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

None of this means Martin's hero can't be right unfortunately. Besides.. given the fact that he still is the one who kills her, it IS his psyche we're talking about. A psyche, as you say, thoroughly influenced by a culture that rewards a clean family name. It is indeed the culture that has affected his way of thinking. But it is his way of thinking that is described here.

no doubt, but the process described is wrong

 

[Azzurri7]

about time.

Tell me I'm not right?

like Zlatan?

Close. Except that Zlatan provides something from time to time. Sharia law doesn't provide anything.

 

[swag]

like Zlatan?

But killing Zlatan would be considered an honor killing, yes?

 

[mikhail]

But killing Zlatan would be considered an honor killing, yes?

It'd certainly gain approval here.

 

[Martin]

It'd certainly gain approval here.

And the thread starter gets convicted for inciting the whole thing and goes to jail.

 

[JBF]

Can't the King has his say on this matter? Or tribal law is untouched there?

He can but he'll lose the support of the tribes that the army was and has been for years constructed upon. In fact, the king relies on these tribal differences to stay in power and oppress the the ones who call for a change IMO.

For me, religion itself stems from customs, culture and tribal thoughts. In the case of Islam, yes honor killings are not allowed.. I was just pointing out that the idea of killing fornicators is Islamic and that Honor Killings are the consequence of condemning fornicators to death... they happen when the family takes the law into their own hands. So No.. it is related to religion.. at least indirectly.

Apostates should be killed under Islamic Law but there are rules surrounding it where the apostate has to be locked in a room for three days and they try to convince him to repent and go back to Islam. Most apostate executions end up being done by the people and not by the court. Even Christians in Egypt often time kill their apostates (much lesser cases though) even though Christianity does not order their killing.

It is both cultural and religious as both are almost the same.

I stopped reading there as that's where you are very wrong. Customs, culture and tribal thoughts are often mistaken by people as the religion which is in fact incorrect. Some of them are from our religion but many clash directectly with the commands of Qura'an and Sonna. Lets take weddings for example, Islam never commanded parties to be held the way they do and certainly didn't ask for 200-500 peoples to be there when the agreement is signed but that's what costumes hold in high place. Islam never asked for the 40 days-after-death Qura'an readings many do here. Islam didn't command the Sham Al Naseem that is widely practiced in Egypt and certainly didn't command the honor killings.

As for you stating that tribal fought are ones of Islam that's one hell of a BS. Islam fought Arab tribs before prophet Muhammad had even stepped out of what is now known as gulf countries. He fought them for the thoughts they believed in which were wrong and diverted them 180 degrees to what Islam asked them to be. Im surprised you don't know that as an Arab and former muslim above all.

 

[IrishZebra]

Ah, I see.

Sharia law is overrated I think.

Sharia Law

• drinkers and gamblers should be whipped.
• wifebeating is A-OK
• Literal Eye for Eye
• Cut off thieves hands
• mutilation of 'highway' robbers
• execution of homosexuals
• stoning of adulterers of course
• critics of islam and sharia should be killed.
• Apostates should be killed

Overrated? try fucking retarded. That's not a just set of legal principles to govern any set of people. Followers of this tripe are a cancer on this earth.

 

[IrishZebra]

I stopped reading there as that's where you are very wrong. Customs, culture and tribal thoughts are often mistaken by people as the religion which is in fact incorrect. .

That's exactly where all religions originate from.

 

[JBF]

Or so you think..

 

[IrishZebra]

Or so you think..

Me and the general academic consensus.


Look it's cool if your a Muslim and all that Jazz, but Islam was heavily influenced by the life experiences of Muhammad and the society he grew up in, were he to have been Irish the Qur'an would have been a different book. Surely you'd agree with that no?

 

[Seven]

Me and the general academic consensus.


Look it's cool if your a Muslim and all that Jazz, but Islam was heavily influenced by the life experiences of Muhammad and the society he grew up in, were he to have been Irish the Qur'an would have been a different book. Surely you'd agree with that no?

Obviously a muslim cannot agree with this. It would make the entire Quran void of meaning.

 

[JBF]

Me and the general academic consensus.


Look it's cool if your a Muslim and all that Jazz, but Islam was heavily influenced by the life experiences of Muhammad and the society he grew up in, were he to have been Irish the Qur'an would have been a different book. Surely you'd agree with that no?

That's what you fail to understand, Qur'an isn't Muhammad's words, at least not to muslims that is. But you're right, Islam as a religion would be a more understanding one to the Irish and European culture and that's why Islam is more understanding to Muslim Europeans in some duties asked of a muslim, since they don't live in a muslim country.

 

[JBF]

Obviously a muslim cannot agree with this. It would make the entire Quran void of meaning.

Exactly.

 

[Seven]

Exactly.

But the thing here is that one can see cultural references. I know you don't believe the book was affected, as the words are coming from Allah and not Muhammad, but some things do look rather convenient. For instance, you cannot eat pork. Back in the day it was not easy to conserve pork and it got bad very easily. People got sick after eating pork.

Nowadays we can conserve pork. Would the Quran still be the same book if written today?

IMO it is definitely influenced by culture and I think there are a number of very obvious examples. They're not proof obviously, but they're very big indicators. I can see why you choose not to believe this though, as it would destroy the entire meaning of the book.

 

[JBF]

Back in the days Arabs were probably the most Wine-consuming people in the East. Nonetheless, Islam banned the damn thing despite the continuous pleading back then. And since you mentioned pork, the same should go for lamp and cow meat no? As in it must have been hard to store and all, then why was it banned too?

Islam didn't come to fit Arab mentality but rather Arab mentality grew to fit Islam commands for nothing but believing in them.

 

[Seven]

No, you don't get it. Pork got bad much more easily than other meat. Wine was probably banned because of drunk people. Doesn't take a genius really.

 

[IrishZebra]

That's what you fail to understand, Qur'an isn't Muhammad's words, at least not to muslims that is. But you're right, Islam as a religion would be a more understanding one to the Irish and European culture and that's why Islam is more understanding to Muslim Europeans in some duties asked of a muslim, since they don't live in a muslim country.

And men aren't perfect, bias is bound to set in. The word of Allah can be the truth the mistakes can be attributed to the fact the Muhammad was just a man, if you see my point. A man wrote the Qur'an, I mean that's a fact and the book would have been different had another man been chosen as a prophet.

Anyway, Islam grew out of Arabia, hence some imagery and phrases are Arabia centric. That's just a fact like



Did you just say Islam is more understanding than European culture?