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Yamen

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Sure he would. Since the early ages, the man would be taught that he is the top of the tribe or probably the family. He's the one responsible for it and so on and he is to protect the female members at all costs, until they are married. When something like this happens, the girl basically has taunted the family's honor and everyone will look down to them.

Sad but it keeps happening and will always happen. But I like to think of the root cause after all. Not the end result.

All religions have forbidden sex out of wedlock. Why has it become a sign of freedom?
 

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Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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Fred said:
The thing is, such a situation where nobody would ever know isn't even possible. Because the guy she slept with knows, and he has friends, and those friends have friends, so word is bound to spread.

But if there is the slim possibility that nobody would find out, the family would rather cover it up than kill the girl(or the guy).
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Not necessarily obviously. If he knows that it's going to get the girl killed (and he probably does), he's not all that likely to tell people himself. To an extent he must sort of like her. And even though men do like to brag about these things, at the very least society will frown upon his behaviour.
 
Fred

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Seven said:
Not necessarily obviously. If he knows that it's going to get the girl killed (and he probably does), he's not all that likely to tell people himself. To an extent he must sort of like her. And even though men do like to brag about these things, at the very least society will frown upon his behaviour.
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Its not necessarily the case of course, but the Father would not take that risk, the automatic assumption is that word will spread one way or another.

Honor killings are not that common anymore, thats my impression at least. Nowadays in tribal places, when they catch a girl doing it with another guy, they meet with the guys family and agree to force them into marriage.
 
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    yamensbs said:
    Sure he would. Since the early ages, the man would be taught that he is the top of the tribe or probably the family. He's the one responsible for it and so on and he is to protect the female members at all costs, until they are married. When something like this happens, the girl basically has taunted the family's honor and everyone will look down to them.

    Sad but it keeps happening and will always happen. But I like to think of the root cause after all. Not the end result.

    All religions have forbidden sex out of wedlock. Why has it become a sign of freedom?
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    Huh? If something is forbidden then doing it feels like freedom. Isn't that obvious?
     
    IrishZebra

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    yamensbs said:
    Sure he would. Since the early ages, the man would be taught that he is the top of the tribe or probably the family. He's the one responsible for it and so on and he is to protect the female members at all costs, until they are married. When something like this happens, the girl basically has taunted the family's honor and everyone will look down to them.

    Sad but it keeps happening and will always happen. But I like to think of the root cause after all. Not the end result.

    All religions have forbidden sex out of wedlock. Why has it become a sign of freedom?
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    Human Society advanced past this manner of thinking decades ago.

    Human beings aren't property of some alpha male, they are individuals with rights, and a woman above the age of consent can fuck whoever they choose and there isn't a damn thing that should be done about it.

    Honour is a social construction, it has no quantifiable figures or base amount, in fact it is wholly dishonourable to kill anybody unless they represent a direct threat to your life.

    This is why the West acts so superior to the rest of the world, we're not still organising our society in Mesolithic terms.
     
    Yamen

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    Seven said:
    Not necessarily obviously. If he knows that it's going to get the girl killed (and he probably does), he's not all that likely to tell people himself. To an extent he must sort of like her. And even though men do like to brag about these things, at the very least society will frown upon his behaviour.
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    it might be hidden. But come wedding night, and the new groom "if he isn't the guy who de-flowered her" finds out that she ain't a virgin he would kill her on the spot! Speaking about tribal families.

    Lots of incidents took place becase the girl didn't bleed on the first night for whatever medical reason, but the man would instantly think that she isn't a virgin. And when investigating, it appears that she was a virgin after all but the thing didn't break!!
     
    Enron

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    I think the issue is less about fornication and sex out of wedlock and more about the need for patriarchal control over the family in Eastern cultures.

    A man brought up in a culture that promotes complete control over one's family as a sign of success and stature within his community would no doubt be completely culture shocked in attempting to bring up a girl within American society. Where women are promoted to be individuals and self reliant. Regardless of whether that individuality is sex or merely going out with a non-islamic boy, or just not listening.
     
    Seven

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    Jun 25, 2003
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    Fred said:
    Its not necessarily the case of course, but the Father would not take that risk, the automatic assumption is that word will spread one way or another.

    Honor killings are not that common anymore, thats my impression at least. Nowadays in tribal places, when they catch a girl doing it with another guy, they meet with the guys family and agree to force them into marriage.
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    Yes, I understand that this is more common. Not the best solution I guess, but better than killing the girl. And they like each other anyway I suppose.

    It annoys me that people think this is a muslim thing though. Stuff like this used to happen in lots of places in Europe too and not within the muslim families that lived there.
     
    Yamen

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    under Islamic law - yes. If proven.

    In Dubai for instance - a couple of incidents took place. They do Jail term and get deported to their original country.
     
    swag

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    Sep 23, 2003
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    Basically file under "Dumbass psychopaths who need to get over themselves and their fat egos, thinking the world revolves around them."
     
    icemaη

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    Law is equal for both genders with regards to adultery in Islam. But its never applied equally. Its easy to suppress the woman and use her as an example to suppress other women.
     
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