Trans people: your informed opinions and why you hold them (3 Viewers)

[Martin]

I find it confusing, I couldn't give a $#@! what people with their lives but I struggle to empathise with the transgender movement in the same way I do with gay rights.

how come?

 

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[JCK]

Read what this troll did

https://murderbymedia2.wordpress.co...ppi-the-lesbian-trapped-in-the-body-of-a-man/

It had to be a Dane doing this.

 

[Hængebøffer]

It had to be a Dane doing this.

A xenophobic one too. He's one of Dan Park's mates.

 

[Hængebøffer]

I find it confusing, I couldn't give a shit what people with their lives but I struggle to empathise with the transgender movement in the same way I do with gay rights.

You're not a feminazi anymore?

 

[Ford Prefect]

how come?

I can empathise with loving someone because I have loved someone, I can't empathise with not associating with my birth gender because I associate with my birth gender. It's a completely alien concept to me, but I couldn't give a shit if someone doesn't associate with their birth gender.

 

[Trequartista]

I think that's pretty much it. I don't know what my completely informed opinion is, as it's not completely informed. I think plenty of people have legitimate feelings of dissociation between their bodies and their minds, and if surgery is a treatment that can work for that, then do it.

Then there's the whole issue of gender being a man-made construct - what part of being a woman is it that you want? How and when do you know that you were supposed to have a penis? For many trans people I know, dressing the part, doing "lady" or "manly" things isn't often part of the equation, yet that's what we hear about in articles. Especially about "transgender" kids (something I am rarely convinced of, as the media shows "He always knew he liked dresses!" which is bullshit, anyone can like dresses, what about his feelings towards his body?)

I don't know. It's a very real thing, and I completely support the people who need to do it, but I can't imagine how they feel or even the thought of going through that kind of surgery.

You hit the nail on the head here. There is a contradiction in the social equality movement as feminists have been claiming for decades that gender is a social construct and that there are no differences between men and women biologically in terms of brain structure and other things.

Now they claim that transgenders have the brain/soul of the opposite gender in their body. Wait a minute, I thought they claimed that gender was a social construct?

This is a huge contradiction.

 

[Hængebøffer]

You hit the nail on the head here. There is a contradiction in the social equality movement as feminists have been claiming for decades that gender is a social construct and that there are no differences between men and women biologically in terms of brain structure and other things.

Now they claim that transgenders have the brain/soul of the opposite gender in their body. Wait a minute, I thought they claimed that gender was a social construct?

This is a huge contradiction.

Huh? That has nothing, i repeat nothing, to do with transgender. I don't know much about the area, but please do a little reading on the subject.

 

[Trequartista]

Huh? That has nothing, i repeat nothing, to do with transgender. I don't know much about the area, but please do a little reading on the subject.

How so?

 

[swag]

You make it sound as if there weren't multiple facets and disagreements among people who identify themselves as either trans, feminist, gay, etc...

There is no such thing as a 100% identical belief or voting bloc.

 

[Enron]

One more thing not to care about.

 

[Trequartista]

You make it sound as if there weren't multiple facets and disagreements among people who identify themselves as either trans, feminist, gay, etc...

There is no such thing as a 100% identical belief or voting bloc.

Oh for sure, but I've heard many feminist saying both that gender is a social construct and that transgenders have the soul/brain of the other sex.

 

[Hængebøffer]

You make it sound as if there weren't multiple facets and disagreements among people who identify themselves as either trans, feminist, gay, etc...

There is no such thing as a 100% identical belief or voting bloc.

Yup. There's a reason they changed it from transsexual to transgender.

 

[swag]

Oh for sure, but I've heard many feminist saying both that gender is a social construct and that transgenders have the soul/brain of the other sex.

Some feminists are morons. Part of my point.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Oh for sure, but I've heard many feminist saying both that gender is a social construct and that transgenders have the soul/brain of the other sex.

Agree, but I don't think that's only on the feminists.

 

[Trequartista]

Agree,

Some feminists are morons. Part of my point.

but I don't think that's only on the feminists.

Fair enough

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So, should we fund and encourage reassignment surgery despite the evidence for it actually making them happier very slim?

Apparently, a significant portion of them regret the surgery and attempt suicide.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth

 

[swag]

Fair enough

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So, should we fund and encourage reassignment surgery despite the evidence for it actually making them happier very slim?

Apparently, a significant portion of them regret the surgery and attempt suicide.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth

11 year old citations? Sounds like seeking the data to fit your hypothesis and not the other way around, for one.

 

[Trequartista]

11 year old citations? Sounds like seeking the data to fit your hypothesis and not the other way around, for one.

I hadn't seen the date.

However, is there any other kind of mental disorder for which we advocate surgery rather than therapy?

 

[Enron]

I hadn't seen the date.

However, is there any other kind of mental disorder for which we advocate surgery rather than therapy?

Probably not, but at the same time not all "mental disorders" are the same.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Oh for sure, but I've heard many feminist saying both that gender is a social construct and that transgenders have the soul/brain of the other sex.

gender is an invention by feminists and the like to 'reinvent' nature, there are SEXES, and no matter how much dress wearing one will do they are that sex

 

[Enron]

gender is an invention by feminists and the like to 'reinvent' nature, there are SEXES, and no matter how much dress wearing one will do they are that sex

hardcore!!!