I am hoping lippi has balls to create a revolution by calling up these players hence forcing their clubs to start them. This is desparate thinking though.
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[International Friendly] Italy-Brazil (02/10/09) (32 Viewers)
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If players such as Pepe, Di Natale, Montolivo, a hot 'n cold Gilardino and a wounded maggot in Zambrotta are the players getting time on the pitch for the Azzurri, you know you have a lot of problems. Pepe has never impressed me on any pitch and Montolivo seems to be another one of those overrated players. What needs to be done is begin to usher in the younger players, basing the team around the existing players like De Rossi who actually adds something. Chances of the World Cup are slim anyway.
Here we have a really nice question.
People in Italy and all the azzurri fans around the world wanted to crucify Donadoni for playing the wrong tactics (4-3-3). He was an "awful coach".
Now all of a sudden, the master, the greatest coach of all times, and everybody's idol Lippi is also playing 4-3-3.
Why is that?
If Donadoni was awful for using wrong tactics (some will also say wrong squad selection, but we can see that Lippi also isn't calling Del Piero and Cassano) then you must say that Lippi is also an awful coach for doing exactly the same thing.
If not, then you will have to look more closely at the players Donadoni and Lippi had at their disposal.
What were the other possible formations?
4-3-1-2 - Who will play Totti's role?
4-4-2 - Do the Italians even have a ML? Do they have a good MR to replace the always injured Camoranesi ?
4-4-1-1 - No Totti and no ML.
4-3-2-1 - Here you need two Totti's and you don't have even one Totti.
Donadoni didn't play 4-3-3 because he was a bad coach. Lippi isn't being stupid to play 4-3-3 even after he saw that it didn't work brilliantly under Donadoni.
They were using this formation because that's how they can get the best out of the players they have.
People in Italy and all the azzurri fans around the world wanted to crucify Donadoni for playing the wrong tactics (4-3-3). He was an "awful coach".
Now all of a sudden, the master, the greatest coach of all times, and everybody's idol Lippi is also playing 4-3-3.
Why is that?
If Donadoni was awful for using wrong tactics (some will also say wrong squad selection, but we can see that Lippi also isn't calling Del Piero and Cassano) then you must say that Lippi is also an awful coach for doing exactly the same thing.
If not, then you will have to look more closely at the players Donadoni and Lippi had at their disposal.
What were the other possible formations?
4-3-1-2 - Who will play Totti's role?
4-4-2 - Do the Italians even have a ML? Do they have a good MR to replace the always injured Camoranesi ?
4-4-1-1 - No Totti and no ML.
4-3-2-1 - Here you need two Totti's and you don't have even one Totti.
Donadoni didn't play 4-3-3 because he was a bad coach. Lippi isn't being stupid to play 4-3-3 even after he saw that it didn't work brilliantly under Donadoni.
They were using this formation because that's how they can get the best out of the players they have.
It was pretty obvious the 2008 Azzurri was screwed no matter who was in charge of them. The personnel simply was not good enough. And even if Cannavaro was in the team, they still would have struggled.
I can't believe you're bailing your Milan buddy Donadoni out of jail, Alen.
Amauri is a must, but you'll have to convince the naysayers to accept him because I'm through with that.
I can't believe you're bailing your Milan buddy Donadoni out of jail, Alen.
Amauri is a must, but you'll have to convince the naysayers to accept him because I'm through with that.
I like this silly drama, like the options to renew players are that bountiful (likes of Pepe shouldnt be called up, but thats another matter), when the reality is lots of the options are average ones.
I mean perfect case of being fickle, you are calling for new young players, players who havent played much or proven much, but at the same in a very knee jerk way, are already calling off those youngsters who have been introduced to the NT, Aquilani and Montolivo, as deadbeats who should be kicked off, seriously??? (both are BETTER then likes of Cigarini mentionned earlier) I get the criticism for Montolivo, despite having the talent, there something wrong with how he approaches game, he has the eye to create (see his two great assists to Mutu against Bologna last week), the technique and shooting, but his inconsistency is epic. Should be a squad player, too fragile to start him and Pirlo, Pirlo gets too exposed.
But I mean, its a friendly, thats what you do, start with a couple of new younger players too slowly blood them in (the kind of mentality and impatience of saying they are crap immediately, is the reason not so young players get called up). But when it comes to Aquilani, is defenitely has the knack to get himself more of a role with NT, because he isnt afraid to step up at times (he scored twice in his last NT game) as Montolivo seems to be, he just needs to find his role with Roma a bit more, and be less injury prone. But defenitely has more hope then Monto.
The problem is clearly the clubs not giving the younger players chances, so how is the NT supposed to. Ofcourse the problem is several of these youngsters arent good enough. Not just getting chances. But when it comes soon, those young players that Lippi should call up to experiment, its mainly Santacroce if he stops stinking it up as he done lately in Napoli, and Marchisio (Brighi, Floccari and such soon too). Plus Giovinco if he gets more minutes (much more senseful then the likes of Pepe), but thats exactly it with Italian football, other NTs play with young players BECAUSE the clubs play young players early on, blood them in. But despite how he impresses, a 22 old Giovinco, isnt any youngster but one hailed as italy's future, gets benched for a useless 37 year old, because that veteran has "experience". Perfect case of the mentality.
But really, some of you should re-check your past words, you were calling for that young player like Montolivo to be called up, of how its good to try new promising younger players, and now are totally dogging him after few games. I mean, you may call for Acquafresca (not proven enough) or Cigarini now, but after a poor or average performance here or there in the NT, you will cry about how crappy they are etc. Knee-jerk reactions is fucking silly. Allways about the next saviour this or that, instead of being realistic and realise things take time.
Italy, and fans of italian football (because it rubs off) are way too much of frigging melodramatic mofos.
I mean perfect case of being fickle, you are calling for new young players, players who havent played much or proven much, but at the same in a very knee jerk way, are already calling off those youngsters who have been introduced to the NT, Aquilani and Montolivo, as deadbeats who should be kicked off, seriously??? (both are BETTER then likes of Cigarini mentionned earlier) I get the criticism for Montolivo, despite having the talent, there something wrong with how he approaches game, he has the eye to create (see his two great assists to Mutu against Bologna last week), the technique and shooting, but his inconsistency is epic. Should be a squad player, too fragile to start him and Pirlo, Pirlo gets too exposed.
But I mean, its a friendly, thats what you do, start with a couple of new younger players too slowly blood them in (the kind of mentality and impatience of saying they are crap immediately, is the reason not so young players get called up). But when it comes to Aquilani, is defenitely has the knack to get himself more of a role with NT, because he isnt afraid to step up at times (he scored twice in his last NT game) as Montolivo seems to be, he just needs to find his role with Roma a bit more, and be less injury prone. But defenitely has more hope then Monto.
The problem is clearly the clubs not giving the younger players chances, so how is the NT supposed to. Ofcourse the problem is several of these youngsters arent good enough. Not just getting chances. But when it comes soon, those young players that Lippi should call up to experiment, its mainly Santacroce if he stops stinking it up as he done lately in Napoli, and Marchisio (Brighi, Floccari and such soon too). Plus Giovinco if he gets more minutes (much more senseful then the likes of Pepe), but thats exactly it with Italian football, other NTs play with young players BECAUSE the clubs play young players early on, blood them in. But despite how he impresses, a 22 old Giovinco, isnt any youngster but one hailed as italy's future, gets benched for a useless 37 year old, because that veteran has "experience". Perfect case of the mentality.
But really, some of you should re-check your past words, you were calling for that young player like Montolivo to be called up, of how its good to try new promising younger players, and now are totally dogging him after few games. I mean, you may call for Acquafresca (not proven enough) or Cigarini now, but after a poor or average performance here or there in the NT, you will cry about how crappy they are etc. Knee-jerk reactions is fucking silly. Allways about the next saviour this or that, instead of being realistic and realise things take time.
Italy, and fans of italian football (because it rubs off) are way too much of frigging melodramatic mofos.
1- Donadoni insisted on playing his 4-3-3 since he took over till the day he was fired.
2- Donadoni had the dumbest tactics and formations.
3- Lippi is world cup winner therefore no one can really question him up till now. This was his first defeat. Hence the record he broke.
4- Lippi will surely drop Cassano, but Del Piero, Totti? and many others will probably make it back.
5- And Lippi didn't use this formation because that's the best he can get. It's a friendly game and if this is not the right time to try then there's never a right time.
2- Donadoni had the dumbest tactics and formations.
3- Lippi is world cup winner therefore no one can really question him up till now. This was his first defeat. Hence the record he broke.
4- Lippi will surely drop Cassano, but Del Piero, Totti? and many others will probably make it back.
5- And Lippi didn't use this formation because that's the best he can get. It's a friendly game and if this is not the right time to try then there's never a right time.
It was pretty obvious the 2008 Azzurri was screwed no matter who was in charge of them. The personnel simply was not good enough. And even if Cannavaro was in the team, they still would have struggled.
I can't believe you're bailing your Milan buddy Donadoni out of jail, Alen.
I can't believe you're bailing your Milan buddy Donadoni out of jail, Alen.
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So who should play instead of Toni? Quag was tried, and he was flamed as useless after a game (and true, not good enough), Gila has been 3-4 times, and he has beena average, and already deemedn hopeless. Borriello is not the answer either. So what, try other random ones like Acquafresca, like he will solve anything? I watch the Azzurrini, and he is a decent player, but he dissapoints at times there, whats he is supposed to do in NT level?
So who should play instead of Toni? Quag was tried, and he was flamed as useless after a game (and true, not good enough), Gila has been 3-4 times, and he has beena average, and already deemedn hopeless. Borriello is not the answer either. So what, try other random ones like Acquafresca, like he will solve anything? I watch the Azzurrini, and he is a decent player, but he dissapoints at times there, whats he is supposed to do in NT level?
