Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (32 Viewers)

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AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
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Well, I do think it's a delusion. Or actually, I don't even think that. I think (suspect at least) that most so called believers have never lined up the theological pillars of their religion and asked themselves "is this true". Just like most people who go to a political rally, say, don't ask themselves "is Obama really a good candidate", they just join in because so many other people are doing it and imitate relatively mindlessly. I know that's what I was doing for years.
I have put my faith to that test as described numerous times and to me it is true. Now Obama on the other hand was never a good candidate :)
 

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Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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I have put my faith to that test as described numerous times and to me it is true. Now Obama on the other hand was never a good candidate :)
Right, but I think most people who are believers on paper but don't seem to ever do anything religious other than to follow traditions haven't.

Like here in Norway there's a custom that on the 24th you go to church at night and people go with their whole families. I call that tradition because people go then who never go otherwise except for stuff like weddings. So I don't believe it has any religious content for them any more than decorating a Christmas tree.
 

AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
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Right, but I think most people who are believers on paper but don't seem to ever do anything religious other than to follow traditions haven't.

Like here in Norway there's a custom that on the 24th you go to church at night and people go with their whole families. I call that tradition because people go then who never go otherwise except for stuff like weddings. So I don't believe it has any religious content for them any more than decorating a Christmas tree.
Yes and I agree. As I also pointed out earlier. Those are not religious. True religious are not once a year or only when traditional calls worshippers. Its the same as when juventus fans are only around when they win. They are not true believers
 

LowLife

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Jan 7, 2011
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Believers in what?
What he meant is FAUX Fan.

Religion and faith is very tricky it goes up and down. Some people are more devoted than others. Even atheist, some of them don't know shit about it, they just think it's cool to be atheist, example my housemate she was saying God doesn't exist then i asked her 3-4 question then she said shut up, I don't know. My point is that, it's faith, some are religios because of tradition, their parents or grandparents belong to that religion and some become religion because they read, or meet religious people who convince them and they find God. I am convinced that God exist and I am really glad to be a believer.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Cmon man do I have to spell it out for you ?!!! I was comparing fair weather Juventus fans to fair weather religious. Neither is a true believer in what they say they believe. A true believer believes through everything. Good and bad times. Shaky and solid times.
I think you're talking nonsense. What is it that "real Juventus fans" supposedly believe in?
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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I'm sure there are plenty of people who fall either side of this line, for an atheist it could come when they are stricken by terminal cancer. For a theist they could see their child murdered horrifically. In those moments we see who is wavering in their belief.

After that you go into a fact versus faith argument which will never be decided, unwavering faith is one thing, but explaining your faith, your religion and why your religious texts are the right ones is a hot topic to debate. For atheists it is all a load of nonsense, a man made concept to control growing populations through love, awe and fear to adhere to a moral code, and the aspect of belief is the only interesting debate. What book it comes from is irrelevant, as is each religion.
ok Jay, one concept at a time please.
the argument started with sheik claiming that he only acts based on certitudes and facts, which is obviously not true, a quick look in his pocket will show pieces of paper they call money which are nothing but tokens of faith in an economic system. The shortmindedness is calling faith in a deity lunacy is what is being discussed.
As for the unwavering belief, please reread the exchange, i speak of reassurances, take for example the notorious Dawkins who handpicks vulnerable targets that are supposed to speak for their faith. Same is seen here, once someone is idnetified as potentially susceptible to the regurgitated atheism 101 postulations they go after him. Why? reassurance.
 

LowLife

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Jan 7, 2011
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ok Jay, one concept at a time please.
the argument started with sheik claiming that he only acts based on certitudes and facts, which is obviously not true, a quick look in his pocket will show pieces of paper they call money which are nothing but tokens of faith in an economic system. The shortmindedness is calling faith in a deity lunacy is what is being discussed.
As for the unwavering belief, please reread the exchange, i speak of reassurances, take for example the notorious Dawkins who handpicks vulnerable targets that are supposed to speak for their faith. Same is seen here, once someone is idnetified as potentially susceptible to the regurgitated atheism 101 postulations they go after him. Why? reassurance.
Very good point there. spot on :)!
 

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