Antonio Conte (106 Viewers)
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not at all
One year was enough if you ask me with the types(caliber) teams he has faced apart from Bayern's elimination which was understandable but also giving up before kick-off.
I don't know what makes Zeman tactically good, I've seen him with couple of teams, beyond garbage, never watched his Serie b matches but Allegri with decent squad can trouble some big teams in Europe and that's because he tactically wins over some of his opponents whom are individually better (as players).
I don't know what makes Zeman tactically good, I've seen him with couple of teams, beyond garbage, never watched his Serie b matches but Allegri with decent squad can trouble some big teams in Europe and that's because he tactically wins over some of his opponents whom are individually better (as players).
I was referring to the elimination in the group-stages(CL) and failing in Europa league.
Forget Barcelona, Allegri hasn't only done it with Barcelona, he had useless squad at Milan but still managed pretty well overall and with Juve last year.
I don't know if Allegri would have done what Conte did in 2011, but I know Conte wasn't the right head for European matches.
I somehow also think Allegri will do pretty good in CL this season too.
Forget Barcelona, Allegri hasn't only done it with Barcelona, he had useless squad at Milan but still managed pretty well overall and with Juve last year.
I don't know if Allegri would have done what Conte did in 2011, but I know Conte wasn't the right head for European matches.
I somehow also think Allegri will do pretty good in CL this season too.
speculative and premature, conte was hardheaded no doubt, but he was also convinced in his ways and demanded players he wanted to implement systems he wants, kinda like allegri this past summer except with less balls.
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we should have done even better against barca, is that also on allegri?
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we should have done even better against barca, is that also on allegri?
conte is the first and only to win a domestic league title against a team with zlatan, while allegri is the first and only coach to lose a domestic league title with zlatan on his side. it is funny, but id say you have to be pretty talented to lose the league with zlatan on your side, especially when most title challengers are pretty weak.
conte actually proved much more, picking up a weak side, both mentally and quality wise, and winning 3 consecutive domestic league titles with it. making every team in italy afraid of juve again. i doubt there are many coaches that can do what he did.
allegri had lots of retarded tactical decisions, like the one against udinese - pereyra out llorente in, killed any chance to do anything in that game by playing with 2 target man, 0 playmakers, 2 wingers that are actually full backs, i mean who did he expect to deliever to the 2 target man? it seemed like he expected the CB's to do the job. all of that while you are losing 1-0..
not being able to move out of our own box against roma for most parts of the game, there are no excuses for that.
wow, what a TACTICAL BRAIN! where can i learn such tactical insights?
i can give more examples that will show that allegri is just an average coach(tactical wise), he mostly enjoyed a season that tevez outplayed anyone, while having the best defense and midfield in the world that conte created.
allegri's juventus played pretty similiar to conte's, i could see same defects, defense and midfield was good, but there was lack of creativity\speed in attack, same things that made juventus fail in europe, conte knew what the team needs and marrota\agnelli refused to listen to him.
allegri did nothing special, he followed conte path by struggling in CL group stage. he could easily be out of CL in group stages, struggling against MALMO and OLYMPIACOS.
considering both are pretty average tactical wise, but conte is an amazing motivator(people tend to underestimate it, but sometimes thats all a team needs) and knows what kind of players juve needed to improve and reach one step higher. id pick conte over allegri without a doubt.
I think everybody agrees that Conte was the most suitable man for the job back in 2011, he did an amazing job, especially in the first two years but the team stopped developing in the third year. The disastrous year in Europe proved that i believe. Picking up one scrappy win in a group where we should have qualified with both hands tied behind our backs. Then our elimination in the EL, we didn't create a single opportunity against an average side who played with 10 men for over 30 minutes. Tactically, average sides outperformed us incredibly in Europe that year, while he kept moaning in the media about a lack of funds. You can call Allegri everything, but he knows how to organize a side. Yes, we struggled (again) in the groupstages last year, but until we reached the final our knock-out performances were absolutely great. Conceding one goal against Dortmund (thanks to Chiellini), and just two against Real Madrid (one of them was a non-existing penalty). Not many teams leave those two stadiums unscathed. Conte moaned, but Allegri practically took that same team with an out-of-form Vidal, injured Barzagli and Pirlo who unfortunately wasn't performing as he used to do, and took it to the final. No, i think Allegri is far more tactical and it is not even close. Don't get me wrong, i'd fancy a second spell of Conte at Juventus at some point in his career, but for that to happen i'd want him to develop himself on several aspects.