Antonio Conte (139 Viewers)

[Hist]

Tough call as to who is better. We only saw Conte in the CL twice. He did very well in the first time and then not so well in the second. A third season would have been very telling about whether his 2012 or his 2013 is more representative of his ability in Europe. Allegri has far more experience in Europe and from what we can tell he has been consistently good in Europe. I expect him to qualify us again.

In Serie A Conte has the better record. In his first season the odds were clearly in favor of Allegri's Milan and Conte pulled off a miracle. The manager with the much lesser squad defeated the one with the better squad. I also prefer Conte's Juve when it played big teams in Serie A.

Allegri has 2011 and his last stunt with Milan as bad on his resume. I really admire his 2nd place finish with Sharaawy and Balotelli being the only good players left in the squad.

I prefer Conte because I dont think 2013 CL exit was normal in any sense. There were too many unusual events and it all hinged on one goal in the end.

Whichever coach is better it is definitely a very close call. I'll take Simeone over the two.

 

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[Bianconero81]

One look at Conte's Italy is all I need to see who the better tactician is

Fuck the 3-5-2.

 

[Raz]

One look at Conte's face and I can only think of words like - coward, unprofessional, whinny bitch and cunt.

 

[Azzurri7]

If Allegri wins Two or even one cup this season we can safely say that he has surpassed Conte in every possible way.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

If Allegri wins Two or even one cup this season we can safely say that he has surpassed Conte in every possible way.

did you forget where we came from? the invincible season? the serie a point record? like i said before, hes not even close

 

[Raz]

Not to say that coppa italia is something special nowdays, but Alegri won us that silver star we all been wishing.

 

[Emmet]

did you forget where we came from? the invincible season? the serie a point record? like i said before, hes not even close

It's not about the league anymore, we have way surpassed that now. Allegri and future managers are now judged on what they do in Europe. the league is small potatoes.

Conte's greatest failure is the second leg SF against Benfica, at home and played like garbage with the final in our backyard. Rubbish.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

It's not about the league anymore, we have way surpassed that now. Allegri and future managers are now judged on what they do in Europe. the league is small potatoes.

Conte's greatest failure is the second leg SF against Benfica, at home and played like garbage with the final in our backyard. Rubbish.

the reason why we are even saying it's not about the league is hugely due to conte, and i could care less about some 2 bit competition being played at our stadium

 

[Emmet]

the reason why we are even saying it's not about the league is hugely due to conte, and i could care less about some 2 bit competition being played at our stadium

You might not care about it, but it clearly showed his weakness as a coach, he had no idea how to change the outcome of the match.

Conte got us to the dance, now Max has taken us to a higher level.

 

[Azzurri7]

did you forget where we came from? the invincible season? the serie a point record? like i said before, hes not even close

Of course I can't forget that, but another lets say Champions league final and Coppa/Serie A would put him on top.

Juve needed someone like Conte for 2011, he was the ideal man in the perfect situation, he won in Italy by margin, Allegri can win in Italy too not by margin and is also the push that Juve needs in Europe and that IMO is close to what Lippi was. (As in theory)

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Of course I can't forget that, but another lets say Champions league final and Coppa/Serie A would put him on top.

Juve needed someone like Conte for 2011, he was the ideal man in the perfect situation, he won in Italy by margin, Allegri can win in Italy too not by margin and is also the push that Juve needs in Europe and that IMO is close to what Lippi was. (As in theory)

we are going to have to agree to disagree, lippi was given a beast of a team, and was never able to duplicate his success after that in europe even with the likes of zidane.

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conte is the first and only to win a domestic league title against a team with zlatan, while allegri is the first and only coach to lose a domestic league title with zlatan on his side. it is funny, but id say you have to be pretty talented to lose the league with zlatan on your side, especially when most title challengers are pretty weak.

conte actually proved much more, picking up a weak side, both mentally and quality wise, and winning 3 consecutive domestic league titles with it. making every team in italy afraid of juve again. i doubt there are many coaches that can do what he did.

allegri had lots of retarded tactical decisions, like the one against udinese - pereyra out llorente in, killed any chance to do anything in that game by playing with 2 target man, 0 playmakers, 2 wingers that are actually full backs, i mean who did he expect to deliever to the 2 target man? it seemed like he expected the CB's to do the job. all of that while you are losing 1-0..
not being able to move out of our own box against roma for most parts of the game, there are no excuses for that.
wow, what a TACTICAL BRAIN! where can i learn such tactical insights?

i can give more examples that will show that allegri is just an average coach(tactical wise), he mostly enjoyed a season that tevez outplayed anyone, while having the best defense and midfield in the world that conte created.

allegri's juventus played pretty similiar to conte's, i could see same defects, defense and midfield was good, but there was lack of creativity\speed in attack, same things that made juventus fail in europe, conte knew what the team needs and marrota\agnelli refused to listen to him.

allegri did nothing special, he followed conte path by struggling in CL group stage. he could easily be out of CL in group stages, struggling against MALMO and OLYMPIACOS.

considering both are pretty average tactical wise, but conte is an amazing motivator(people tend to underestimate it, but sometimes thats all a team needs) and knows what kind of players juve needed to improve and reach one step higher. id pick conte over allegri without a doubt.

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[Badass J Elkann]

Conte is a better motivator, Max is a better tactician. Max proved he can do more with less, Conte couldn't.

u wot? he won the league first time of asking with a squad that is fair to say was not expected to win the league title, never mind going undefeated too that season. Allegri couldn't even win it with Zlatan, Nocerino on drugs and all the penalties they were receiving.

 

[Fake Melo]

Allegri a better coach than Conte

Selective memory. I guess people are forgetting everything from 2011 to 2014. Conte kicked his ass time after time. Even ended his Milan dominance where Allegri had the better team and clear Scudetto favorites.

Allegri almost got eliminated from CL just like Conte, the only difference was a snow storm. Allegri got Dortmund and Monaco in the first two rounds of CL while Conte got Celtic (yeah pushovers), but then Bayern Munich who destroyed Barcelona and had kicked Real's ass the previous season. It's mind boggling how ungrateful people are. With Marotta and Agnelli we finished 7th in the first season, Conte came and changed everything.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Allegri a better coach than Conte

Selective memory. I guess people are forgetting everything from 2011 to 2014. Conte kicked his ass time after time. Even ended his Milan dominance where Allegri had the better team and clear Scudetto favorites.

Allegri almost got eliminated from CL just like Conte, the only difference was a snow storm. Allegri got Dortmund and Monaco in the first two rounds of CL while Conte got Celtic (yeah pushovers), but then Bayern Munich who destroyed Barcelona and had kicked Real's ass the previous season. It's mind boggling how ungrateful people are. With Marotta and Agnelli we finished 7th in the first season, Conte came and changed everything.

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[Badass J Elkann]

Allegri a better coach than Conte

Selective memory. I guess people are forgetting everything from 2011 to 2014. Conte kicked his ass time after time. Even ended his Milan dominance where Allegri had the better team and clear Scudetto favorites.

Allegri almost got eliminated from CL just like Conte, the only difference was a snow storm. Allegri got Dortmund and Monaco in the first two rounds of CL while Conte got Celtic (yeah pushovers), but then Bayern Munich who destroyed Barcelona and had kicked Real's ass the previous season. It's mind boggling how ungrateful people are. With Marotta and Agnelli we finished 7th in the first season, Conte came and changed everything.

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Imagine if allegri fails to win the league this season, I wonder then what opinions are of allegri comparative to Conte's achievements then

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As for Allegri being a better coach and reading the situation better... I doubt Conte would have replaced a decent Lichtsteiner for isla when you are at home chasing the game against udinese...

 

[Hist]

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Imagine if allegri fails to win the league this season, I wonder then what opinions are of allegri comparative to Conte's achievements then

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As for Allegri being a better coach and reading the situation better... I doubt Conte would have replaced a decent Lichtsteiner for isla when you are at home chasing the game against udinese...

they will say end of a cycle

 

[Fake Melo]

This is Allegri's biggest test because most of Conte's signings are gone. Last year he inherited Conte's team and made it work, but the tough part is building his own team.

 

[Osman]

The worst thing about this all is, yes Allegri is more Europe experienced tactically and more flexible. But to say he does more with less based on ONE CL SEASON, and nothing else, is imaginably flawed. Because hands up who thinks Allegri would ever do "more with less" in the league 3 straight seasons in a row with Juve, make us win and dominate effortlessly. I dont, and thats why Conte is the better coach for us. As a character he showed himself to be hardheaded, petty, small minded and rash when thing got worse, but as a coach going into the season, I would defenitely take him in overall to make us win the league.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

they will say end of a cycle

Yet allegri was quoted to have said this is not a transitional year. Even if it is and Allegri fails, Conte still had a far weaker team to work with to begin with and surpassed all expectations

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It's funny how people only look at Conte in the Cl for the defeats to Bayern, the ridiculous farse in Turkey and the Celtic game is dismissed for being too easy, yet they also forget the 2 matches against the cup holders chelsea

 

[JuveJay]

So what you are saying is that people will focus on things which enhance their preferred point of view?

I learned something new today.