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Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
Moderator
Dec 10, 2004
29,281
#89
The fact that something is written in the book that happens to be true is not proof of science, merely conjecture. I can make guesses that turn out to be true, that doesn't mean I've proven anything by scientific standards.

Science is NOT just the conclusion, it's just as much the process and the observations that lead up to it.



Fine, go ahead.
Oh Martin. Scientific proof in the Qur'an is one of the most convincing aspects of Islam.

Here: The Qur'an and Modern Science
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
#92
Oh Martin. Scientific proof in the Qur'an is one of the most convincing aspects of Islam.

Here: The Qur'an and Modern Science
A ton of yadayada from what I can tell, too lazy to read the whole damn thing.

Let's just say in a jolly sweeping statement that I find "predictions" about science in religion to be too ridiculous to take seriously. If you want a longer commentary on the subject, see "Beautiful Mind" where the guy thought he was seeing hidden patterns and messages everywhere while the patterns were actually all in his head.
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
#94
In the age of 14 years old only you reached the conclusion that of course there is no God!!!!
That's what i told you earlier
Its not like asking yourself , is he there or not?
Because there is a fact that you will never be able to see or even imagine God
and that's why you chose not to believe in his existence just because you couldn't see or imaging him because you were 14 years only and the only way to make you beleive in something that time in that age is by leting you see or even imagine it becasue scintific conclusions would never work at that age
His existence is proved by that scientific facts
so he is asking you to reach the fact that he is existed by conclusions
not any conclusions, but those of very solid undisputed scientific evidences
As i told you before
its not up to us to just say "well i thought about it for few mins or days and reached the fact that there is no god"
Its about giving yourself the chance to reach it by following the way you think it is the most appropriate to reach the final conclusion
i am telling you this because for a boy of 14 years old only its difficult to go through it thoroughly and give it what it needs of time and intellectual preparations

Before giving you the examples, just wanna make sure that you know what so called the "Embryology"?
If so, would you pals tell me the development stages "outlines will be enough"
and tell me when was it discovered first?

then will come back to u
  1. No, it is not true that a 14 year old kid is too simple minded to understand the question of god. People all around the world stupidly put down children as simple beings unable to understand as a way to exercise their own power over them. That doesn't mean your mind is superior to that of a 14 year old. It's not. You have more knowledge, life experience, wisdom. But not more intelligence.
  2. This supposed "evidence" you are talking about is underscoring your own point. If I had so called evidence in abundance, then according to your hypothesis I would have no choice but to believe in god. But as you can see this evidence is nowhere to be found.
  3. No, I don't know anything about embryology.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,902
#96
You mean who literally wrote it? Like who put pen to paper or who the words of the Qur'an were relayed by before it was actually written?
No, i mean is it possible that a group of scientists from the 7th century and the following centuries had a big deal in what we today know as the Koran?
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,749
#97
A ton of yadayada from what I can tell, too lazy to read the whole damn thing.

Let's just say in a jolly sweeping statement that I find "predictions" about science in religion to be too ridiculous to take seriously. If you want a longer commentary on the subject, see "Beautiful Mind" where the guy thought he was seeing hidden patterns and messages everywhere while the patterns were actually all in his head.
You know, when I look at my roll of paper towels, I see the face of Charles Manson.
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
Moderator
Dec 10, 2004
29,281
#98
No, i mean is it possible that a group of scientists from the 7th century and the following centuries had a big deal in what we today know as the Koran?
No, impossible. There is a reason why the Qur'an was revealed where it was revealed. That region of the world was the most backward region on earth at the time.

You see every little detail of how, when, and why the Qur'an was revealed had a purpose, it was to stand as a proof and testament to future generations in order to show the truth of Islam.
 

BlanquiNegro

Senior Member
Mar 28, 2006
949
#99
  1. No, it is not true that a 14 year old kid is too simple minded to understand the question of god. People all around the world stupidly put down children as simple beings unable to understand as a way to exercise their own power over them. That doesn't mean your mind is superior to that of a 14 year old. It's not. You have more knowledge, life experience, wisdom. But not more intelligence.
  2. This supposed "evidence" you are talking about is underscoring your own point. If I had so called evidence in abundance, then according to your hypothesis I would have no choice but to believe in god. But as you can see this evidence is nowhere to be found.
    [*]No, I don't know anything about embryology.
And thats exatly what is it all about
Evidnces and Proofs that you can't question or deny

As I told you earlier
Its about giving yourself a chance to get to know the fact

I will talk about the Embryology later on
but now let me ask you something
Would you beleive me if i told you that i was standing infornt of a river and then few woody sticks start gathering one next o the other and then they got themselves tighten to eachother and then WOW its a boat made by itslef?

When you watch a movie you don't see the guyz who made it
the director, the cameraman etc but you are 100% sure about their existance and you get it by conclusions
same goes for God existance issue
You can't see him but you can't deny his existance just because of that
and thats why he made us miracles and lift it for us to study them and reach them to eventually find ourself with no doubts beleive in his existance

Next post will be about the ebmryology
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
I will talk about the Embryology later on
but now let me ask you something
Would you beleive me if i told you that i was standing infornt of a river and then few woody sticks start gathering one next o the other and then they got themselves tighten to eachother and then WOW its a boat made by itslef?
No, and neither do I believe that god would have been created out of nothing like that boat you describe, so it doesn't actually convince me of anything.

When you watch a movie you don't see the guyz who made it
the director, the cameraman etc but you are 100% sure about their existance and you get it by conclusions
The difference is I know how a boat or a movie is made. I've seen a movie made lots of times and I know exactly how it happens. I have NOT seen how a universe is made, not even once (and neither have you). Therefore I have absolutely no argument to say that it must be created this way or that way.
 

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