Your ideal world cup tournament (12 Viewers)

[denco]

First off the title should be ideal what a typo

7 African countries in a wc is just absurd, its way too much, the same way that the other South American countries apart from Brazil and Argentina do not add much , Nigeria, Ivory Coast,Cameroun and Senegal are the only ones that might add to a world cup.
The North Africans used to be good but are now pretty average and South Africa is rubbish.

In saying that , some European countries do not add anything either

I read some disparaging things about some continents and undue praise for South America but the fact remains that apart from when Uruguay won the world cup in 30 and 50 , no other South American team outside Brazil and Argenitina have gone past second round. I am not 100% sure but that seems to be the case. Now if thats true, whats the justification of them having too many teams in the world cup
Up until 2 world cups ago, they were actually split into groups to qualify for world cup and you get some teams come there and stink up the place with rough and very crude football. Teams like Ecuador and Bolivia would never have qualified if not for the altitude that affects their opponents

But like i said from Africa, just like in this wold cup where only Ivory Coast belongs , the rest are from just above average in Ghana to the mediocre in Tunisia, Togo and Angola. But another thing really affecting African football is that the best players all play for France, like Zidane, makele, Vieria

 

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[flieeeekke]

OWNAGE.

how? nice and dandy, south america is piss poor an everyone at least tad bit talented is going to europe. same with africa though.. the point is that very few outside of argentina and brazil make it big. santa cruz doesnt count. millions were paid for a talented teenager who's constantly injured and can't warrant a first team spot at bayern. where as there's loads of top players in africa.
its just sucks that 3 WC places go to south american teams other than brazil and the argies where's the whole of africa gets only 5. you can say what you like about togo and angola but the likes of cameroon, south africa, nigeria, tunisia and south africa stayed home and that's unfair to me. how are they worse than ecuador or paraguy?

you stay put ivory cost in comnebol qualifiers and they wont make it to the top 4. you sure? the ivory cost that was unlucky to lose to argentina?

 

[Dragon]

its just sucks that 3 WC places go to south american teams other than brazil and the argies where's the whole of africa gets only 5. you can say what you like about togo and angola but the likes of cameroon, south africa, nigeria, tunisia and south africa stayed home and that's unfair to me. how are they worse than ecuador or paraguy?

Wrong. Only four places (that would be two besides Argentina and Brazil) go to other South American teams. They also get a .5 spot which means that there's a playoff match against the best team from Oceania. But that doesnt always mean a South American team will progress.

And regarding Santa Cruz, Paraguay has other players that have made it to big teams too. I posted a list a few pages back. You should check it out.

BTW, Tunisia IS in the World Cup

 

[Snoop]

First off the title should be ideal what a typo

7 African countries in a wc is just absurd, its way too much, the same way that the other South American countries apart from Brazil and Argentina do not add much , Nigeria, Ivory Coast,Cameroun and Senegal are the only ones that might add to a world cup.
The North Africans used to be good but are now pretty average and South Africa is rubbish.

In saying that , some European countries do not add anything either

I read some disparaging things about some continents and undue praise for South America but the fact remains that apart from when Uruguay won the world cup in 30 and 50 , no other South American team outside Brazil and Argenitina have gone past second round. I am not 100% sure but that seems to be the case. Now if thats true, whats the justification of them having too many teams in the world cup
Up until 2 world cups ago, they were actually split into groups to qualify for world cup and you get some teams come there and stink up the place with rough and very crude football. Teams like Ecuador and Bolivia would never have qualified if not for the altitude that affects their opponents

But like i said from Africa, just like in this wold cup where only Ivory Coast belongs , the rest are from just above average in Ghana to the mediocre in Tunisia, Togo and Angola. But another thing really affecting African football is that the best players all play for France, like Zidane, makele, Vieria

that I hate too, talented players like Zidane and Viera choose European teams over their original countries.

Africa haas Huge talents, players from "Nowhere" are becoming regulars in European football, only Imagine if Africa overcame the poverty, and had better options to improve their football, and you watch them.

I am backing of what I said earlier, 4 spots is Enough for South America. Other than Argentina and Brazil, We have Uruguay who I would like to see them instead we habe also Colombia who was good before, but wouldn't add much these terms.

I would love to see 4 at least of Egypt (the champion of Africa), Nigeria, Cameroon, Senegal, morocco next to Ghana , Ivory Coast and Tunisia. now don't tell me that wouldn't make the world cup better

 

[ThePLaya]

Wrong. Only four places (that would be two besides Argentina and Brazil) go to other South American teams. They also get a .5 spot which means that there's a playoff match against the best team from Oceania. But that doesnt always mean a South American team will progress.

exactly

 

[Martin]

I would love to see 4 at least of Egypt (the champion of Africa), Nigeria, Cameroon, Senegal, morocco next to Ghana , Ivory Coast and Tunisia. now don't tell me that wouldn't make the world cup better

Going by your Poland comment earlier (and now this), it seems that you don't put much stock in the formal process of qualifiers, you would rather just pick the teams you want? If Nigeria and Cameroon among others aren't good enough to qualify, then they don't belong at the World Cup, simple as that. It's not like they faced an unsurmountable challenge, they've already managed it in the past haven't they.

 

[Slagathor]

that I hate too, talented players like Zidane and Viera choose European teams over their original countries.

That's bullshit, snoop. Zinedine Zidane was born in Marseille, that makes him French according to French and European law. That ancestry bullshit doesn't carry any value in Europe and that's the way it should stay. Am I supposed to cheer for France because that's where my ancestors are from? If you go back far enough down the line, you'll be able to mix 'n' match all players and send them to different countries. Just like you want to pick which nations play in the World Cup rather than those who deserve it.

Same goes for Vieira. He moved to France, lived most of his life in France, has a French passport. That makes him French and nothing else.

This 'place you're really from' bullshit is something that belongs in the 19th century and the world would be a better place if everybody just recognised that.

 

[Byrone]

Look, the fact of the matter is teams such as Tunisia, Togo, Angola, and South Africa are not as good as their South American counterparts vying for the same place in the tournament. When has more than one African team actually done something in one respective World Cup? I seriously cannot think of more than one each tournament and teams such as Cameroon and Nigeria seemingly choke on the big stage. Paraguay reached the second round in the last World Cup FFS and Ecuador is about to do the same thing. Please seriously give me an argument as to how the African teams I mentioned in my first sentence are better than Paraguay, Ecuador, or even Uruguay. That's right, they aren't worth much. And I'm not talking about finances here.

What does Australia got to do with this...I did not even mention them and of course Oceania should have their own berth in the competition. That's besides the point. Hell, they should take away one from the Africans and insert Oceania..

I am not sure why you're lecturing me on the "World Cup" and how I am supposedly limiting this tournament to two continents. Of course Africa should be given enough spots in the tournament...but not as many as seven..

That is why I said how about we just keep it the way it is? Both Africa and South America have a fair number of spots. I just had a problem with snoop calling South American nations crap when that is all Angola really is.

What are u on about Andy? I never said that the African teams are better than the South American teams.I simply put it that u obviously have a preference to the more established nations than developing ones like africa.Get one thing straight im not lecturing u,those are hardcore facts i wrote about the game in africa in general.

Have u or anybody else been to a qualifier in Guinea or DRC? I have Andy & any team that travels to various countries across Africa & that qualifies is an excellent achievement irrespective of what anybody says.My reasoning for that is,that in Africa "rough tactics" are employed.Militia line up around the football pitch,rival fans curse & threaten opposing teams & not to mention that the rival fa's gave scummy & nasty accomodation to put the opposing team off their game.Do u think David Beckham or Cristiano Ronaldo could handle that kind of pathetic & hostile environment?It is tough playing on mediocore football pitches with little or no grass at all.Do u see Ronaldinho pulling his moves on a pitch that resembles a landmine clearout?

Im not insulting anybody's national team & stating who derserves to be there or not but simply that how are the "crappy" teams ever to evolve if they are not given a chance to pit it out against the best?Europe,south & north america have had years of development compared to africa,asia & oceania & personally i feel they need more spots.

Please Andy realx bud im not attacking you & i dont refer to anybody's national team as crap,that just shows utter disrespect to a nation as a whole.I love africa with all its faults & corruption so please excuse me if i sound biased.

 

[Seven]

What the hell are you fighting about? It's so damn obvious that North and Middle America are the real issue. Seriously, how can you NOT qualify in that group? That qualifying group is a joke.

 

[Slagathor]

What the hell are you fighting about? It's so damn obvious that North and Middle America are the real issue. Seriously, how can you NOT qualify in that group? That qualifying group is a joke.

Yeah... Belgium should be in it...

 

[Seven]

Yeah... Belgium should be in it...

You can laugh as much as you want, but in four years Belgium will have a great squad.

 

[Byrone]

Yeah... Belgium should be in it...

gold

 

[Slagathor]

You can laugh as much as you want, but in four years Belgium will have a great squad.

A good squad. Good.

Brazil have a great squad.

 

[Seven]

A good squad. Good.

Brazil have a great squad.

Alright, a good squad then .

 

[Snoop]

Going by your Poland comment earlier (and now this), it seems that you don't put much stock in the formal process of qualifiers, you would rather just pick the teams you want? If Nigeria and Cameroon among others aren't good enough to qualify, then they don't belong at the World Cup, simple as that. It's not like they faced an unsurmountable challenge, they've already managed it in the past haven't they.

I am saying that if these teams were in the world cup, the World cup would be better (in quality). and saying also that out of all these good teams, only Five will be there in the world cup, which I think it is not fair.

Don't be much sensitive on Poland. you know what I tried to say there, I didn't say they didn't qualify fairly, but their last performances in the friendlies, and the opener match, made me think that they shouldn't be there.

and about Nigeria, they were in the same groupf Of Egypt and Ivory Coast If I am not mistaken, and only one to qualify. this is the reason why we see Angolas and Togos in the World cup. The qualification system there is questionable too..

 

[Martin]

and about Nigeria, they were in the same groupf Of Egypt and Ivory Coast If I am not mistaken, and only one to qualify. this is the reason why we see Angolas and Togos in the World cup. The qualification system there is questionable too..

So you would rather have one big group as the case is in South America?

 

[Bjerknes]

Im not insulting anybody's national team & stating who derserves to be there or not but simply that how are the "crappy" teams ever to evolve if they are not given a chance to pit it out against the best?Europe,south & north america have had years of development compared to africa,asia & oceania & personally i feel they need more spots.

This is where I disagree. I do not think places should receive more spots just because they're worse of than others in aspects of life. We are talking about football here, and if you award more spots to Africa you must take them away from other, perhaps more deserving nations. Sadly enough, no matter what we do we will never be able to create a perfect tournament system and there will always be somebody who feels screwed over. With the five spots that Africa have at the moment, and considering their history and talent, I do not think they're being screwed over at the moment...five sounds about right to me.

 

[Bjerknes]

What the hell are you fighting about? It's so damn obvious that North and Middle America are the real issue. Seriously, how can you NOT qualify in that group? That qualifying group is a joke.

Yet a team such a Trinidad and Tobago was able to draw Sweden with ten men and Costa Rica scored two goals against the hosts in a decent performance despite the loss. It might be a joke, but the teams are not as bad as some people like to make them out to be.

 

[Byrone]

This is where I disagree. I do not think places should receive more spots just because they're worse of than others in aspects of life. We are talking about football here, and if you award more spots to Africa you must take them away from other, perhaps more deserving nations. Sadly enough, no matter what we do we will never be able to create a perfect tournament system and there will always be somebody who feels screwed over. With the five spots that Africa have at the moment, and considering their history and talent, I do not think they're being screwed over at the moment...five sounds about right to me.

Fair enough,but as i stated more spots for asia & oceania as well,not only africa.

 

[Seven]

Yet a team such a Trinidad and Tobago was able to draw Sweden with ten men and Costa Rica scored two goals against the hosts in a decent performance despite the loss. It might be a joke, but the teams are not as bad as some people like to make them out to be.

Sweden sucked and so did Germany in a defensive point of view. Yet I don't even want to use that as an argument as T&T and Costa Rica did do well. But just look at the teams they had to play to get here. Come on... Belgium's group was a lot tougher than America's if you ask me.