I wasn't speaking of a specific federation, just Latin America v Africa in general.
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snoop said:
I know what I am talking about, put Argentina and Brazil aside (I have nothing to say against them), and compare the numbers of players of Africa in major leagues to south America.
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Caceres (River Plate)
Acuna (Dep. La Coruna)
Dos Santos (B. Munich)
Paredes (Reggina)
Santa Cruz (B. Munich)
Valdez (W. Bremen)
Plus some other players that play in Argentine, Brazilian and Mexican teams
Now compare it with Tunisia:
Trabelsi (Ajax)
Saidi (Lecce)
Chadli (Nurnberg)
Nafti (Birmingham)
Plus some others that play in midtable French teams
South American clubs cant even be compared to African ones... Just name a club more sucessful than Boca, who for example beat the CL winner AC Milan a few years ago
First of all, no one is questening Argentina and Brazil's entry in the World Cup. The other thing is that you can't discount Africa just because it has no football history, international or on the club level. The poorest continent with the poorest nations are discovering and developing talent. They fully deserve the number of slots aloted to them imo.
Africa has Joga Bonito, nuff said.
Africa has Joga Bonito, nuff said.
1) Fact 1: Africa is a bigger continent with more countries.
2) Fact 2: # of countries that entered in to the World Cup qualification from South America= 10
from Africa = 58
4 countries are allowed from South America out of 10, 5 countries are allowed from Africa out of 58....do the math.
3) Fact 3: Nice logic. Let me try: baseball is American, who won the World Baseball Classic?
Basketball was started by a Canadian, need I say more?
2) Fact 2: # of countries that entered in to the World Cup qualification from South America= 10
from Africa = 58
4 countries are allowed from South America out of 10, 5 countries are allowed from Africa out of 58....do the math.
3) Fact 3: Nice logic. Let me try: baseball is American, who won the World Baseball Classic?
Basketball was started by a Canadian, need I say more?
I dont think you're understanding me...
So if Africa is a "bigger continent" does that mean Europe should have only two spots because they're small? Europe has the most spots and noone argues about that because of their history. When it comes to history South America comes second to Europe.
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So if Africa is a "bigger continent" does that mean Europe should have only two spots because they're small? Europe has the most spots and noone argues about that because of their history. When it comes to history South America comes second to Europe.
Some people in this place should really lay off the crack because its starting to damage their brains
Doesn't mean it has to be physically big. Europe had 52 teams entering the qualification; compared to Africa's 58 and S America's 10. The only reason, as far as I know, they have more slots is because they have stronger teams compared to rest of the world, and obviously it helps that it all started there.
You have got to be kidding me..
So by your logic, Tahir, we should throw all history and tradition to the wind and start allocating World Cup berths based solely on the number of countries each conferderation contains. So if you would like to award seven spots for Africa and four for South America, based on such logic, you would also have to strip about 10 spots from Europe because they have quite a few less countries than Africa. This, of course, must be done if you use the argument of country totals to allocate World Cup spots...if you perform such a task for two continents you must apply that to all.
That makes a lot of sense, doesn't it. Sounds quite fair as well. The hypocrisy and absurd logic wthin this thread is simply stunning. You cannot base your argument on the fact that Africa has far more nations because the quality of the World Cup would thus be reduced when in reality Africa has far less history than South America and doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath. The lack of respect for South America is appaling and teams such as Angola, Togo, and Tunisia are utter crap when compared to Paraguay and Uruguay. End of story.
So by your logic, Tahir, we should throw all history and tradition to the wind and start allocating World Cup berths based solely on the number of countries each conferderation contains. So if you would like to award seven spots for Africa and four for South America, based on such logic, you would also have to strip about 10 spots from Europe because they have quite a few less countries than Africa. This, of course, must be done if you use the argument of country totals to allocate World Cup spots...if you perform such a task for two continents you must apply that to all.
That makes a lot of sense, doesn't it. Sounds quite fair as well. The hypocrisy and absurd logic wthin this thread is simply stunning. You cannot base your argument on the fact that Africa has far more nations because the quality of the World Cup would thus be reduced when in reality Africa has far less history than South America and doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath. The lack of respect for South America is appaling and teams such as Angola, Togo, and Tunisia are utter crap when compared to Paraguay and Uruguay. End of story.
I'd have a hard time giving Africa more teams in, when they've achieved very little in the actual cup so far. Especially when the teams they're sending this year looks very weak compared to other WCs.
Allocating slots based on the number of teams in each qualification is absurd. It would ruin the tournament, and we'd miss out on a lot of great football. I don't think we should give anymore slots though, no reason to go "Uefa" on the tournament.
I know they've changed the system as Graham mentioned, but I don't think Australia should get an automatic in. Would be awful IMO.
Allocating slots based on the number of teams in each qualification is absurd. It would ruin the tournament, and we'd miss out on a lot of great football. I don't think we should give anymore slots though, no reason to go "Uefa" on the tournament.
I know they've changed the system as Graham mentioned, but I don't think Australia should get an automatic in. Would be awful IMO.
Zé, your reasoning is crap. It's based on quantity over quality when you're trying to improve the quality of the tournament. Don't you see how that won't work?
So Europe with 52 nations should get a lot of qualifying spots just because we have 30 nations along the lines of Luxembourg and Georgia that don't even have proper national football leagues? That's ridiculous! Europe wishes we didn't have to drag all those tiny nations (that never amount to anything in football) around and could just have fixtures between good teams only, like in South America.
So Europe with 52 nations should get a lot of qualifying spots just because we have 30 nations along the lines of Luxembourg and Georgia that don't even have proper national football leagues? That's ridiculous! Europe wishes we didn't have to drag all those tiny nations (that never amount to anything in football) around and could just have fixtures between good teams only, like in South America.
Andy said:
Don't watch it then. Seriously don't. Go throw in some old tapes of African Nations Cup instead.
There's no dispute in my argument.
Well of course Africa is going to have more players than South America in major leagues if you exclude Brazil and Argentina...65% of the continent's population. That's a difference of 44 countries.
Such wonderful logic in this thread..
There's no dispute in my argument.
Well of course Africa is going to have more players than South America in major leagues if you exclude Brazil and Argentina...65% of the continent's population. That's a difference of 44 countries.
Such wonderful logic in this thread..
you should really learn to respect opinions, once you do the opposite, you really sound like a teenager
umpkin:Guys, I'm not suggesting that Africa be given more slots than what they have already. I have just simply said that I'd much rather see some African nations than some some of the South American teams. Why? Well, I think they should be given a chance to prove themselves. Ever since the start of the WC, the only S American nations that have made a name for themselves are Brazil, Argentina, and Uruguay. The last one has been snoozing for some time now. Africa in its short history has made a fast inpact.
In the last 4 world cups, 0 South American nations reached past the round of 16 (not counting Argentina, Brazil), not to mention not a single S American country even in the round of 16 in WC '94, while 2 African nations have reached as far as the Quarters (Cameroon, Senegal) and Nigeria was in round of 16 in '94.
@Erik: Again, I was simply justifying Africa having the number of slots they already have not justifying giving them more.
In the last 4 world cups, 0 South American nations reached past the round of 16 (not counting Argentina, Brazil), not to mention not a single S American country even in the round of 16 in WC '94, while 2 African nations have reached as far as the Quarters (Cameroon, Senegal) and Nigeria was in round of 16 in '94.
@Erik: Again, I was simply justifying Africa having the number of slots they already have not justifying giving them more.
