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No, that was a Crespo FLOP.
Well this might be a problem if we actually WON the match. Too bad we lost though because we missed out on all the other whinning.
Check your facts Nick.
The foul at midfield did not matter, however there was certainly a foul on Zlatan that led to the free-kick for Nedved. Yes, it was actually a foul on Zlatan. So that specific free-kick call was absolutely correct.
Like I stated before that match was a complete joke and both clubs were affected by the ridiculous calls by Racalbuto. Juventus were just lucky enough to pull through amidst all the controversy.
Well this might be a problem if we actually WON the match. Too bad we lost though because we missed out on all the other whinning.
Check your facts Nick.
The foul at midfield did not matter, however there was certainly a foul on Zlatan that led to the free-kick for Nedved. Yes, it was actually a foul on Zlatan. So that specific free-kick call was absolutely correct.
Like I stated before that match was a complete joke and both clubs were affected by the ridiculous calls by Racalbuto. Juventus were just lucky enough to pull through amidst all the controversy.
Benjamin Disraeli: there are three kinds of lies: LIES, DAMN LIES and STATISTICS.
Those figures are not indicative of their play and style when put next to Milan or any other Top European club.
Irrelevant..Moratti spends more than Milan yet cannot win a simple Coppa Italia...last season Juve purchased Cannavaro and Zlatan while Milan added Stam and Dhorasso....and you are talking about putting $$ in?? How about the fact that you got rid of Maresca, Miccoli and Divaio last season....those players could not be considered 'depth'...noooooooo of course not.
As the expression goes:
"spread it wide because its damn thin"
Your last part made absolutely no damn sense...what is your point??
Explain why Juve have managed to win 27 Scudettis but have such a dismissal record in Europe despite ALL those attempts at a CL title.
Those figures are not indicative of their play and style when put next to Milan or any other Top European club.
Irrelevant..Moratti spends more than Milan yet cannot win a simple Coppa Italia...last season Juve purchased Cannavaro and Zlatan while Milan added Stam and Dhorasso....and you are talking about putting $$ in?? How about the fact that you got rid of Maresca, Miccoli and Divaio last season....those players could not be considered 'depth'...noooooooo of course not.
As the expression goes:
"spread it wide because its damn thin"
Your last part made absolutely no damn sense...what is your point??
Explain why Juve have managed to win 27 Scudettis but have such a dismissal record in Europe despite ALL those attempts at a CL title.
about juve-roma match, first of all, cannavaro indeed scored an offside goal, however he should have conceded a penalty for juve before his goal, but the referee didnt see anything. Second, juve also got a false penalty, but again zlatan scored a legal goal but it was cancelled... so its very rightful that we won..
and concerning the history books you're talking about, juve have never cheated to win competitions, and i would like to remind you that currently your boss galiani is one of the majors in the italian league association, so he is aware of the referees and anything illegal going on..
anyway, milan and other teams fans are jealous of juve, and especially roma and milan where they start offending juve and blame referees because juve are successful...
and concerning the history books you're talking about, juve have never cheated to win competitions, and i would like to remind you that currently your boss galiani is one of the majors in the italian league association, so he is aware of the referees and anything illegal going on..
anyway, milan and other teams fans are jealous of juve, and especially roma and milan where they start offending juve and blame referees because juve are successful...
Milan had better european presentation that Juve, Ok thats right. Winning the CL 6 time compared to 2 is a big difference.
But calling the statistics I mentioned as lies, well that just shows that its difficult to discuss anything with you. I am trying to lay some facts and you just can't chill, take a breath and read properly. I am not saying that Juve are better than Milan Euro wise, nor am I sayind Juve are better than Milan this year Euro wise. What I was saying that Juve were really strong in the CL this year hence managed to reach the 1/4 final with only 1 loss and 2 goals conceded.
Who said Moratti isn't spending. The difference between Inter and Milan, Milan knows how to spend the money and knows who to get. On the other hand Inter lacks everything. They even lack the player coach relationship. Everyone bashes everyone on the press.
I thought my last part was very clear... I think you should read it again.
You are correct on one thing "JUVE MANAGED TO WIN 27 SCUDETTI".
About refs, During Roma's match our team suffered more than Roma from the ref. Just watch the match again and look at what Totti did to our players and to the ref. Look at what Cufre did to both Del Piero and Zebina. Look at what Dacourt did to Blasi. Atleast two red card should've been show to Roma's players in the first half. Do you still think that Roma would have managed to end the result as a tie with only 9 men on the field after just 30 min from the first half. Add to that, Cannavaro deserved a penalty, Zlatan deserved a goal and a number of fouls infront of the box that were not called. But you are right, both of our goals were illegal. And we got 3 points.
Ok I want you to answer me a question, what about your match against Lazio. Was Crespo's goal legal? huh? that was a winner goal
What about serjinho's goal, was that legal too? that was a winner goal.
because if you think those were legal goals then there is no point of discussing this matter with you, now is it?
The difference between our players and many others, when a ref does not call something for us, we do not stop the play and go protest. We continue playing, thats why you don't see alot of Juve players protesting after a refs decision when its against them.
Against Reggina, the match we lost, there was a goal for Kapo that was disallowed PLUS a penalty that wasn't given.. We should've atleast gotten away with 1 point.
Against Sampdoria there was a penalty that was not allowed.. Again it would have been crusial.. atleast we would have ended the match 1-1... Did our players portest? No. Did The media say the ref favoured the other team?? No.
I can't remember the penatly you were talking about against palermo it was long time ago, but if it is whats in my mind right now then it was not a penalty. Cannavaro HIT the ball away to corner the player was the one who tripped on him AFTER the ball go away into corner.But then again my statement is irrelavent because I can't remember the incident.
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ZAF
But calling the statistics I mentioned as lies, well that just shows that its difficult to discuss anything with you. I am trying to lay some facts and you just can't chill, take a breath and read properly. I am not saying that Juve are better than Milan Euro wise, nor am I sayind Juve are better than Milan this year Euro wise. What I was saying that Juve were really strong in the CL this year hence managed to reach the 1/4 final with only 1 loss and 2 goals conceded.
Who said Moratti isn't spending. The difference between Inter and Milan, Milan knows how to spend the money and knows who to get. On the other hand Inter lacks everything. They even lack the player coach relationship. Everyone bashes everyone on the press.
I thought my last part was very clear... I think you should read it again.
You are correct on one thing "JUVE MANAGED TO WIN 27 SCUDETTI".
About refs, During Roma's match our team suffered more than Roma from the ref. Just watch the match again and look at what Totti did to our players and to the ref. Look at what Cufre did to both Del Piero and Zebina. Look at what Dacourt did to Blasi. Atleast two red card should've been show to Roma's players in the first half. Do you still think that Roma would have managed to end the result as a tie with only 9 men on the field after just 30 min from the first half. Add to that, Cannavaro deserved a penalty, Zlatan deserved a goal and a number of fouls infront of the box that were not called. But you are right, both of our goals were illegal. And we got 3 points.
Ok I want you to answer me a question, what about your match against Lazio. Was Crespo's goal legal? huh? that was a winner goal
What about serjinho's goal, was that legal too? that was a winner goal.
because if you think those were legal goals then there is no point of discussing this matter with you, now is it?
The difference between our players and many others, when a ref does not call something for us, we do not stop the play and go protest. We continue playing, thats why you don't see alot of Juve players protesting after a refs decision when its against them.
Against Reggina, the match we lost, there was a goal for Kapo that was disallowed PLUS a penalty that wasn't given.. We should've atleast gotten away with 1 point.
Against Sampdoria there was a penalty that was not allowed.. Again it would have been crusial.. atleast we would have ended the match 1-1... Did our players portest? No. Did The media say the ref favoured the other team?? No.
I can't remember the penatly you were talking about against palermo it was long time ago, but if it is whats in my mind right now then it was not a penalty. Cannavaro HIT the ball away to corner the player was the one who tripped on him AFTER the ball go away into corner.But then again my statement is irrelavent because I can't remember the incident.
Later...
ZAF
By saying, "We pulled a Milan!" yesterday, I wasn't going back into the recesses of Moggi's days on the pitch. I was talking about this season.... actually, this year of this season.
Perhaps unlike maybe a number of Italians, I don't hold grudges for longer than I've been potty trained.
That wasn't the question nor issue. (Though I could go on and on with a tangent about how Milan got two more points than Juve against Inter in our last matches, where Milan played like crap compared to what Juve did.)
Perhaps unlike maybe a number of Italians, I don't hold grudges for longer than I've been potty trained.
That wasn't the question nor issue. (Though I could go on and on with a tangent about how Milan got two more points than Juve against Inter in our last matches, where Milan played like crap compared to what Juve did.)
I'm with Beretta on his understanding of the human flaws and calling the play. But what I don't understand is his math. By saying "the error made by the linesmen that probably denied his team of a glorious win over Juventus", I am guessing he thinks that a soccer match lasts only 50 minutes??? 
And what I won't accept is some blind faith in the inevitability of matches because of a flawed call earlier on. If Chievo went up 1-0 on a correct call, that doesn't mean that they would have won or even tied. It would have changed the strategy of the match at that stage. We'll never know who would have won, lost, or tied to be honest -- so the mental exercise of going "what if" is pure folly at best.
This is like the classic physicist joke that begins, "assume a spherical chicken" and then goes on for 45 minutes of formulas. Or in the case of the Juve-Chievo game, that would be 40 hypothetical minutes plus injury time.
And what I won't accept is some blind faith in the inevitability of matches because of a flawed call earlier on. If Chievo went up 1-0 on a correct call, that doesn't mean that they would have won or even tied. It would have changed the strategy of the match at that stage. We'll never know who would have won, lost, or tied to be honest -- so the mental exercise of going "what if" is pure folly at best.
This is like the classic physicist joke that begins, "assume a spherical chicken" and then goes on for 45 minutes of formulas. Or in the case of the Juve-Chievo game, that would be 40 hypothetical minutes plus injury time.
