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A fantastic article I found.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/385636-the-juventus-project-can-prevent-exodus-of-stars

The Juventus "Project" Can Prevent Exodus of Stars by Adamo Digby

"Money isn't everything," or so they say.
In the world of professional sports this does hold some truth. Up until quite recently only a few clubs could afford to pay the superstars of the game their "true value" in monetary terms.
Think of Michael Jordan's early Chicago Bulls contract or what Joe Montana earned compared to say, Donovan McNabb.
Juventus knows too well the benefit of a wealthy backer. Financed by the FIAT motor company, the club ruled the Italian football scene thanks to the deep pockets of the Agnelli family.
Edoardo started the dominance with five consecutive Scudetti in the 1930's. Then Gianni earned Juve the first star on their shirts as he brought Omar Sivori, John Charles and Giampiero Boniperti together.
Following the death of L'Avvocato, it then fell to his brother Umberto to take the helm. By this time collective bargaining, salary caps and the influx of super-rich benefactors like Roman Abramovic have ensured that previously small clubs are now paying big wages in order to attract the star names.
It is against this backdrop of new money that Juventus are trying to rebuild following the devastating impact of the enforced relegation of 2006. Without FIAT bank-rolling the team, the Old Lady has been forced to stand on her own two feet. Thanks to the expertise of current Chairman Jean-Claude Blanc, she looks in great health—at least off the field.
Now without coming close to a major trophy since the year in Serie B, speculation is growing that several of the club's key players are looking to move on. The potential damage of losing these stars is arguably greater than any sentence handed down from the Calciopoli trials.
In Gianluigi Buffon, Juventus clearly has one of, if not the best goalkeeper in world football. His desire to remain with the team throughout its darkest times are an inspiration to everyone connected with the club. But Buffon is now 32, his window of opportunity to win trophies is shrinking with every barren season he remains in Turin.
Giorgio Chiellini is just as important. A cornerstone of the current team since his recall from Fiorentina in 2005, his value and contribution grow with almost every game. Still just 25, Chiellini is viewed by many as the next Captain of the club, when Alessandro Del Piero eventually calls time on his own stellar career.
Since returning to Serie A, Chiellini has improved drastically. The move to central defence has focused him on aspects of defending in which he was previously poor.
His marking, timing and tackling have all benefited from the switch. His bruising style remains, but is now tempered with maturity and by the knowledge that he has proven his ability time and again against the world's best strikers.
His contribution to the attacking play of Juventus should also not be understated. Choosing when to join the attack wisely, it is not just at set pieces where he is a threat, often popping up around the opposition penalty area with the passing skills he honed in his time at full back. He has scored four times in Serie A this season, once less than striker Amauri.
These two men, as well as others, will not remain in Turin for money. Any team they play for would pay them handsomely so it has to be something more that sees both remain in the famous Bianconeri stripes. Their belief and devotion to the cause is unquestionable, but now is the time to reward that faith.
Only by surrounding their top players with the right coach and some intelligent new signings can Juventus return to competing for, and winning, top honours. Listening to the elite stars in team sports over the past few years, the key word in almost every case is "project".
The players buy into these plans for the future, they believe in them, convinced by a management team that a particular idea will lead to more silverware than another one. If indeed LeBron James or Dwayne Wade moves teams this summer, the "project" of their new team will be cited as the reason.
Trophies are the only true currency left in the game, and the promise and potential of winning them is the only way to secure the future of both Buffon and Chiellini, as well as others like Claudio Marchisio and Martin Caceres.
Manchester City, Chelsea, Real Madrid and plenty of other clubs can now easily afford to outspend Juventus in terms of both wages and transfer fees. Where Juve do have the advantage is these men have already invested emotionally in the club and believe—at least up until now—that a return to the summit of Italian and European football is possible at Juventus.
This is shaping up to be arguably the most important summer in the club's history. Making the right decisions on a new coach, sporting director and players will determine the futures of not only Buffon and Chiellini, but probably Juventus Football Club as well.

I agree completely with the article, because many of our players seem to be emotionally attached to the club despite the recent lack of success. In essence they've become fans of the club they play for.
 

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    Can anyone produce a list of contract lengths for our first team squad, and also if possible their wages?
     

    delpiero4life

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    im not sure if maybe i missed read it, but it seemed that the article was all for keeping amauri- for me, amauri has to go im sorry but its not working out... i do agree that keeping chiellini, buffon and marchisio are very important though.
     

    Hust

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    A fantastic article I found.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/385636-the-juventus-project-can-prevent-exodus-of-stars

    The Juventus "Project" Can Prevent Exodus of Stars by Adamo Digby

    "Money isn't everything," or so they say.
    In the world of professional sports this does hold some truth. Up until quite recently only a few clubs could afford to pay the superstars of the game their "true value" in monetary terms.
    Think of Michael Jordan's early Chicago Bulls contract or what Joe Montana earned compared to say, Donovan McNabb.
    Juventus knows too well the benefit of a wealthy backer. Financed by the FIAT motor company, the club ruled the Italian football scene thanks to the deep pockets of the Agnelli family.
    Edoardo started the dominance with five consecutive Scudetti in the 1930's. Then Gianni earned Juve the first star on their shirts as he brought Omar Sivori, John Charles and Giampiero Boniperti together.
    Following the death of L'Avvocato, it then fell to his brother Umberto to take the helm. By this time collective bargaining, salary caps and the influx of super-rich benefactors like Roman Abramovic have ensured that previously small clubs are now paying big wages in order to attract the star names.
    It is against this backdrop of new money that Juventus are trying to rebuild following the devastating impact of the enforced relegation of 2006. Without FIAT bank-rolling the team, the Old Lady has been forced to stand on her own two feet. Thanks to the expertise of current Chairman Jean-Claude Blanc, she looks in great health—at least off the field.
    Now without coming close to a major trophy since the year in Serie B, speculation is growing that several of the club's key players are looking to move on. The potential damage of losing these stars is arguably greater than any sentence handed down from the Calciopoli trials.
    In Gianluigi Buffon, Juventus clearly has one of, if not the best goalkeeper in world football. His desire to remain with the team throughout its darkest times are an inspiration to everyone connected with the club. But Buffon is now 32, his window of opportunity to win trophies is shrinking with every barren season he remains in Turin.
    Giorgio Chiellini is just as important. A cornerstone of the current team since his recall from Fiorentina in 2005, his value and contribution grow with almost every game. Still just 25, Chiellini is viewed by many as the next Captain of the club, when Alessandro Del Piero eventually calls time on his own stellar career.
    Since returning to Serie A, Chiellini has improved drastically. The move to central defence has focused him on aspects of defending in which he was previously poor.
    His marking, timing and tackling have all benefited from the switch. His bruising style remains, but is now tempered with maturity and by the knowledge that he has proven his ability time and again against the world's best strikers.
    His contribution to the attacking play of Juventus should also not be understated. Choosing when to join the attack wisely, it is not just at set pieces where he is a threat, often popping up around the opposition penalty area with the passing skills he honed in his time at full back. He has scored four times in Serie A this season, once less than striker Amauri.
    These two men, as well as others, will not remain in Turin for money. Any team they play for would pay them handsomely so it has to be something more that sees both remain in the famous Bianconeri stripes. Their belief and devotion to the cause is unquestionable, but now is the time to reward that faith.
    Only by surrounding their top players with the right coach and some intelligent new signings can Juventus return to competing for, and winning, top honours. Listening to the elite stars in team sports over the past few years, the key word in almost every case is "project".
    The players buy into these plans for the future, they believe in them, convinced by a management team that a particular idea will lead to more silverware than another one. If indeed LeBron James or Dwayne Wade moves teams this summer, the "project" of their new team will be cited as the reason.
    Trophies are the only true currency left in the game, and the promise and potential of winning them is the only way to secure the future of both Buffon and Chiellini, as well as others like Claudio Marchisio and Martin Caceres.
    Manchester City, Chelsea, Real Madrid and plenty of other clubs can now easily afford to outspend Juventus in terms of both wages and transfer fees. Where Juve do have the advantage is these men have already invested emotionally in the club and believe—at least up until now—that a return to the summit of Italian and European football is possible at Juventus.
    This is shaping up to be arguably the most important summer in the club's history. Making the right decisions on a new coach, sporting director and players will determine the futures of not only Buffon and Chiellini, but probably Juventus Football Club as well.

    I agree completely with the article, because many of our players seem to be emotionally attached to the club despite the recent lack of success. In essence they've become fans of the club they play for.
    :jester:
     
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    Finally its ended...a season of nothing but misery and horror. Now is the time to begin rebuilding, starting with stripping away the dead wood, isolating our key foundations and adding fresh, eager blood to the ranks.

    Heading through the squad, separating the Useful from the Wretched:

    Buffon-
    Injuries have prevented him finding enough momentum to gain maximum potency, but still, when has has played, he has proven invaluable. EVERYTHING must be done to try keep him. He deserves better than what he has been given by the board...Another 3-4 years at the top level, and unless we have a world class replacement lined up, we cannot lose the best keeper in the world...KEEP.

    Manninger-
    A competent reserve for Buffon, and will be fine for another season...KEEP.

    Grygera-
    More dependable defensively than our other right backs, but still, far from high quality. I doubt he is on huge wages. If an offer comes in, fine, sell him, but if not, useful to keep as a squad player...KEEP/SELL IF ANYONE WANTS.

    Zebina-
    He has had his chance this season, after so long out injured, to show us what he can do...and he has done nothing of note. SELL/RELEASE.

    Sali-
    Works so damn hard, and could be kept as a squad member, but i'd be happy to see him sold...more often injured than fit. SELL/RELEASE.

    Chiellini-
    Player of the season. More dangerous in attack than our strikers, more solid at the back than the rest of our defenders put together. KEEP.

    Canna-
    Shown decent form in patches, but far too slow for the top level. SELL/RELEASE.

    Legro-
    If only he was as passionate and focused on Defending as he is on Jesus Christ...A good man, but a poor defender. SELL/RELEASE.

    Grosso-
    Waste of a signing last season. Has shown very little reason to even consider keeping him. Old and lacking consistency. At least he can cross, and shoot, but he does so too rarely. SELL/RELEASE

    De Ceglie-
    he has been given more than enough playing time to stake a claim for a long term role in our squad, and he has fucked it. Clueless defensively, passing pathetic, all he offers is pace. We MUSt stop using defenders who aren't naturally talented in defence. SELL.

    Caceres-
    Shoddy tactically, terrible at positioning, seemingly less than certain in the air...but showed great heart when the rest of the team were spiritually atrophied. Nowhere near good enough to warrant 11m, but perhaps deserves more time with us on loan...I wouldn't be at all bothered if we let him go, nor excited if we kept him. Shame we didn't get to see him at centreback...LOAN/RELEASE

    Marchisio-
    In our worst season for 300 years, one of the few bright spots was the improvement of Marchisio. Deployed too often in a system which simply didnt work, he tried hard, tackled well and added in fleeting flashes to our offence. KEEP.

    Melo-
    Too decent for Fiorentina before, and for Brazil still now, to call him a poor player. It has appeared that he has been asked to perform more of a playmaker role for the team than he is naturally suited to doing. His game is industry, not flair, yet I have seen him countless times trying to express flair in an offensive manner. Still young, we spent BIG on him, and hopefully our new manager will get the best out of him, which can be very high quality. KEEP

    Momo-
    Injury issues may have derailed his need for momentum and form, but he has been hopeless and a liability too often this season to ignore. His distribution has been atrocious. Doesn't seem happy, and should be sold, as we have others who can play in the anchor man role far more competently. Its simply too late now to teach him how to pass in a straight line over even small distances...SELL.

    Poulsen-
    Definite improvement on previous season. Seems similar to deschamps...a water carrier. Does nothing special, but keeps things clean and tidy at the base of midfield. By all means, sell him if a decent price is offered, but he is an acceptable squad player. KEEP.

    Camo-
    he costs us a bomb, has been far from brimming with joy or fit, all season. Its time to lose him and his huge wage. He has been wonderful over the years, but not now. We can not continue to be a halfway house for dying footballers on their way to hell...SELL

    Giovinco-
    Criminally underused. We seem so much more alive when he is on the field. I just hope that our new manager sees him as a player to truly offer a chance...because he has what so few of our players possess; trickery, speed, flair. KEEP

    Diego-
    Deployed in a formation which demanded of him more than any player could provide. A demoralizing first season in Italy. Obvious quality on the ball. We invested heavily in him, for good reason...WE as well as him, deserve another chance, to see what he can really do...KEEP.

    Candreva-
    Lots of potential, but to reach how high a level, is yet to be determined. Direct, likes to shoot, decent pace and feet. He has been eager to impress...Not yet worth what we seem to have been quoted, as in 7m-ish for half of his rights, but perhaps we could loan him again, or swap him for some of our dead players...LOAN/KEEP(for players, not 7m for 50%)

    Amauri-
    Nothing short of woeful, from the start till the end of the season. Propped up our attack in the previous campaign, and played a poor man's Trez fairly well, grabbing a half decent haul of 6 yard tap-ins. However, his form this year, even when taking into account our squad form as a whole, has been disgusting. He can't hold up the ball, can't shoot, can't dribble. What kind of team perseveres with a striker who can't shoot??? A losing team...SELL/EXECUTE

    DP-
    those flashes of brilliance are becoming increasingly rare. Too important to the club to cull, but must surely be ushered into a substitute's role for next season, if we are to seriously make moves to improve and renovate. DP still has some class, but he is too weak and too slow to trouble all but the most mediocre of defenders. Reluctantly...KEEP.

    Trez-
    Injured too often, earns huge money, never got the chance to gain match sharpness...He has been a magnificent striker for us over the years, but now his time is UP. SELL.

    Iaquinta-
    Made his presence felt both before and after his lengthy injury. Works like a trojan, can shoot...we should keep him, unless a large offer comes in. Definitely useful. KEEP

    No need to review reasons for our dismal season performance, as we are all aware how painful it has been, so why duplicate more misery eh...its time now to be excited once again, and to hope that Agnelli will make some sweeping changes in order to start redirecting us away from the graveyard of former european greats, and back towards the pinnacle, domestically and in european competition. Its time to put some Pride and Class back into our performances on the field.
     

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    First team: buffon, chiellini, caceres, Melo, marchisio, gio, diego

    Bench/squad: IQ, manniger, DP, candreva, ekdal, marrone, iago, rossi, immobile, lanzafame

    Out like a boner in sweatpants: Trez, camo, Amauri, sali, grosso, legro, DC, canna, poulsen

    In: rodriguez, criscito, krasic, rannocchia, dzeko

    *really not sure how we are going to attrack any other big names here this summer.
     

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    First team: buffon, chiellini, caceres, Melo, marchisio, gio, diego

    Bench/squad: IQ, manniger, DP, candreva, ekdal, marrone, iago, rossi, immobile, lanzafame

    Out like a boner in sweatpants: Trez, camo, Amauri, sali, grosso, legro, DC, canna, poulsen

    In: rodriguez, criscito, krasic, rannocchia, dzeko

    *really not sure how we are going to attrack any other big names here this summer.
    And yet you still think we'll sign Krasic and Dzeko. More like Pepe and Pazzini.
     
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    Pepe seems to be our first purchase of the new regime, and understandably, after so much talk of dzeko, krasic, even aguero...the name pepe, seems to deflate the Many.

    I prefer to be content that we are strengthening a part of the team.

    Camo has been near corpse like for so long now, that its wrong to count him as a player who can remain fit enough to be part of a fluid, cohesive team. He still has major talent, but if he can't play, he can't show it. Also...his temperament has always been disgusting, but when he was fitter, in better shape all round, it seemed worthy of a smile. As in 'that argie fucker!!!'...which is what I thought when i read his comment after the 2006 world cup...something like:
    'if i had known how poor argentina were going to be, i would have played for them instead of italy...'. He seems honest, and only respectful of himself. Anyway, NOW, his volatile, outspoken, destructive temperament, without his footballing ability...seems annoying, and a sickness to the team, more than an asset.

    Other than Camo, who do we have for the right wing??? Sali?? The never-used Giovinco?????

    So why not grab Pepe eh? A hard working, capable of consistency in output and fitness, right midfielder...The money seems fairly excessive. But maybe this 10m EUROS figure I have read of is a little inflated beyond the actual figure. Still, I suppose he is on his way to the world cup, so his price is not going to be cheap.

    Easy to sigh at the thought of what such money could have bought us, elsewhere, but also, I am happy we have improved, already, one part of the squad.

    We HAVE to replace fullbacks, and wingers. Even if Giovinco is allowed a roll of the dice, which looks increasingly unlikely, he is but one...Camo and Sali need ousting. We do not need to buy big for every position, we need to buy sensibly, as in improving upon what we have, strengthening those key positions which have been failing us for many moons.

    A great team need not be a Madrid financial killing spree, 900m for 11 world class players. We already have a world class goalkeeper and centreback. a glut of very capable defensive midfielders. the blossoming box to box midfielder marchisio. a Diego, who has shown far too much before last season, to be cast off as a failure...and a forward line which could still score goals, if given decent service.

    Buffon, Chiellini, Melo, Marchisio, Diego, Momo, Giovinco...I would be happy to see the team formed around those folks.

    DP needs to be moved to the bench. He still has great talent, but his body is fucked, he has no pace, and truly, what successful teams do you see using a clearly frail 35 year old as a starter????
    Trez...at 32 still has some fire in the boots, but is his body up to the challenge of keeping him fit enough, for long enough, for him to regain that killer instinct in the box which when in full flow, is world class? He earns huge money, and gave us very little last season, mainly due to injuries.
    Amauri...So poor last season that if we do sell him, we will suffer a huge loss on what we paid for him, which was over inflated above his true value, but still...who would buy a player who spent the whole season looking lost, unhappy, useless and too often very lacking striking instincts in front of goal???
    Iaquinta...we should keep. His heart, effort, speed and passion for the game make him, for me, our most potent striker. That is unless Trez is fit and firing on all cylinders.

    If trez and Amauri are sold, and DP moved to the bench, why the hell not try giovinco as a second striker??? where Diego could also operate, though slightly deeper. Those two could share the role behind Iaquinta. Losing amauri and trez's wages would surely allow us to buy another striker, to compete with iaquinta for the frontman role.
     
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    Pepe seems to be our first purchase of the new regime, and understandably, after so much talk of dzeko, krasic, even aguero...the name pepe, seems to deflate the Many.

    I prefer to be content that we are strengthening a part of the team.

    Camo has been near corpse like for so long now, that its wrong to count him as a player who can remain fit enough to be part of a fluid, cohesive team. He still has major talent, but if he can't play, he can't show it. Also...his temperament has always been disgusting, but when he was fitter, in better shape all round, it seemed worthy of a smile. As in 'that argie fucker!!!'...which is what I thought when i read his comment after the 2006 world cup...something like:
    'if i had known how poor argentina were going to be, i would have played for them instead of italy...'. He seems honest, and only respectful of himself. Anyway, NOW, his volatile, outspoken, destructive temperament, without his footballing ability...seems annoying, and a sickness to the team, more than an asset.

    Other than Camo, who do we have for the right wing??? Sali?? The never-used Giovinco?????

    So why not grab Pepe eh? A hard working, capable of consistency in output and fitness, right midfielder...The money seems fairly excessive. But maybe this 10m EUROS figure I have read of is a little inflated beyond the actual figure. Still, I suppose he is on his way to the world cup, so his price is not going to be cheap.

    Easy to sigh at the thought of what such money could have bought us, elsewhere, but also, I am happy we have improved, already, one part of the squad.

    We HAVE to replace fullbacks, and wingers. Even if Giovinco is allowed a roll of the dice, which looks increasingly unlikely, he is but one...Camo and Sali need ousting. We do not need to buy big for every position, we need to buy sensibly, as in improving upon what we have, strengthening those key positions which have been failing us for many moons.

    A great team need not be a Madrid financial killing spree, 900m for 11 world class players. We already have a world class goalkeeper and centreback. a glut of very capable defensive midfielders. the blossoming box to box midfielder marchisio. a Diego, who has shown far too much before last season, to be cast off as a failure...and a forward line which could still score goals, if given decent service.

    Buffon, Chiellini, Melo, Marchisio, Diego, Momo, Giovinco...I would be happy to see the team formed around those folks.

    DP needs to be moved to the bench. He still has great talent, but his body is fucked, he has no pace, and truly, what successful teams do you see using a clearly frail 35 year old as a starter????
    Trez...at 32 still has some fire in the boots, but is his body up to the challenge of keeping him fit enough, for long enough, for him to regain that killer instinct in the box which when in full flow, is world class? He earns huge money, and gave us very little last season, mainly due to injuries.
    Amauri...So poor last season that if we do sell him, we will suffer a huge loss on what we paid for him, which was over inflated above his true value, but still...who would buy a player who spent the whole season looking lost, unhappy, useless and too often very lacking striking instincts in front of goal???
    Iaquinta...we should keep. His heart, effort, speed and passion for the game make him, for me, our most potent striker. That is unless Trez is fit and firing on all cylinders.

    If trez and Amauri are sold, and DP moved to the bench, why the hell not try giovinco as a second striker??? where Diego could also operate, though slightly deeper. Those two could share the role behind Iaquinta. Losing amauri and trez's wages would surely allow us to buy another striker, to compete with iaquinta for the frontman role.
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    So for sure...so far...we Have:
    sold Molinaro for 4m.
    Loaned Pepe for a year (2.5m) with rights to buy (a further 7.5m)
    grabbed Martinez (10-12m)

    Coming back to us:
    GK Mario Kirev (from Thun)
    GK Giorgio Merlano (from Canavese)
    GK Andrea Pozzato (from Canavese)
    DF Lorenzo Ariaudo (from Cagliari)
    DF Yobie Bassoule (from Isola Liri)
    DF Davide Borin (from Pro Belvedere Vercelli)
    DF Dario Campagna (from Verona)
    DF Salvatore D'Elia (from Figline)
    DF Stefano Di Berardino (from Pro Vasto)
    DF Marco Duravia (from Figline)
    DF Andrea Pisani (from Cittadella)
    DF Stefano Di Cuonzo (from F.C. Catanzaro)
    MF Sergio Almirón (from Bari)
    MF Raffaele Bianco (from Modena)
    No. Position Player
    MF Luca Castiglia (from Reggiana)
    MF Nicola Cosentini (from Figline)
    MF Albin Ekdal (from Siena)
    MF Luca Lagnese (from Isola Liri)
    MF Samon Reider Rodríguez (from Alessandria)
    MF Tiago (from Atlético Madrid)
    MF Dario Venitucci (from Arezzo)
    FW Alessio Curcio (from Canavese)
    FW Alessandro D'Antoni (from Figline)
    FW Ayub Daud (from Lumezzane)
    FW Oussama Essabr (from Arezzo)
    FW Christian Pasquato (from Triestina)
    FW Carlo Vecchione (from Clermont Foot)
    FW Riccardo Maniero (from Arezzo)

    The signings so far, of Pepe and Martinez, must confirm that Del Neri has a plan, a strategy in mind. But what that strategy is, I cannot see clearly as of yet. pepe seems a Di Livio. Hard working right winger. No real trickery about him, but lots of energy, decent strength, passing fine, not flashy, determined. happy to get up AND down the flank...With Camo half dead, it makes sense to have another right winger...though what happened to that plan of replacing Champions with CHampions??? Nevermind eh...As for Martinez...its not so clear as to WHAT role he will play. The small amount I know of him, lends me to believe he will be a second striker, not a winger. Crossing seems of less interest to him than scoring himself. DP is way too old to be starting for us last season, let alone next season. So I am hopeful that Martinez is for the seconda punta role...Which could suggest a move to 4-4-1-1. Keeping Diego and Martinez, as Second strikers????

    or perhaps a 4-3-3...Truly, I am less bothered with these ponderings than i am with our defence. We have 3 positions which demand improvement, ALL of which are of massive importance to the success of ANY formation. Both fullbacks and one central defensive role. GRanted...we look like getting Bonucci and possibly Gallas. They would be perfect. Young and eager to build on a season of decent promise AND highly experienced gallic strength. Add in Chiellini, and Ariuado, and the central defence looks wicked. But what of the flanks????
    other than Amauri, who was our weakest, most underperforming player last season, by a mile...we have NO fullbacks of any quality. Grygera goblin can be solid-ish, but Zebina, De Ceglie, grosso, are all shocking...absolutely awful players, who cant pass, tackle, cover, or head.

    we need fullbacks, Marotta. Please...
     

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    So for sure...so far...we Have:
    sold Molinaro for 4m.
    Loaned Pepe for a year (2.5m) with rights to buy (a further 7.5m)
    grabbed Martinez (10-12m)

    Coming back to us:
    GK Mario Kirev (from Thun)
    GK Giorgio Merlano (from Canavese)
    GK Andrea Pozzato (from Canavese)
    DF Lorenzo Ariaudo (from Cagliari)
    DF Yobie Bassoule (from Isola Liri)
    DF Davide Borin (from Pro Belvedere Vercelli)
    DF Dario Campagna (from Verona)
    DF Salvatore D'Elia (from Figline)
    DF Stefano Di Berardino (from Pro Vasto)
    DF Marco Duravia (from Figline)
    DF Andrea Pisani (from Cittadella)
    DF Stefano Di Cuonzo (from F.C. Catanzaro)
    MF Sergio Almirón (from Bari)
    MF Raffaele Bianco (from Modena)
    No. Position Player
    MF Luca Castiglia (from Reggiana)
    MF Nicola Cosentini (from Figline)
    MF Albin Ekdal (from Siena)
    MF Luca Lagnese (from Isola Liri)
    MF Samon Reider Rodríguez (from Alessandria)
    MF Tiago (from Atlético Madrid)
    MF Dario Venitucci (from Arezzo)
    FW Alessio Curcio (from Canavese)
    FW Alessandro D'Antoni (from Figline)
    FW Ayub Daud (from Lumezzane)
    FW Oussama Essabr (from Arezzo)
    FW Christian Pasquato (from Triestina)
    FW Carlo Vecchione (from Clermont Foot)
    FW Riccardo Maniero (from Arezzo)

    The signings so far, of Pepe and Martinez, must confirm that Del Neri has a plan, a strategy in mind. But what that strategy is, I cannot see clearly as of yet. pepe seems a Di Livio. Hard working right winger. No real trickery about him, but lots of energy, decent strength, passing fine, not flashy, determined. happy to get up AND down the flank...With Camo half dead, it makes sense to have another right winger...though what happened to that plan of replacing Champions with CHampions??? Nevermind eh...As for Martinez...its not so clear as to WHAT role he will play. The small amount I know of him, lends me to believe he will be a second striker, not a winger. Crossing seems of less interest to him than scoring himself. DP is way too old to be starting for us last season, let alone next season. So I am hopeful that Martinez is for the seconda punta role...Which could suggest a move to 4-4-1-1. Keeping Diego and Martinez, as Second strikers????

    or perhaps a 4-3-3...Truly, I am less bothered with these ponderings than i am with our defence. We have 3 positions which demand improvement, ALL of which are of massive importance to the success of ANY formation. Both fullbacks and one central defensive role. GRanted...we look like getting Bonucci and possibly Gallas. They would be perfect. Young and eager to build on a season of decent promise AND highly experienced gallic strength. Add in Chiellini, and Ariuado, and the central defence looks wicked. But what of the flanks????
    other than Amauri, who was our weakest, most underperforming player last season, by a mile...we have NO fullbacks of any quality. Grygera goblin can be solid-ish, but Zebina, De Ceglie, grosso, are all shocking...absolutely awful players, who cant pass, tackle, cover, or head.

    we need fullbacks, Marotta. Please...
    Great summary.. you remind me of Cronios. :numnum:
     
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    Although its yet unclear, as to what formation Del Neri is working towards, his work with Marotta so far, has impressed me. For they have moved, hard and fast, to improve areas of the team where ALL formations require more strength than we have had for a while.

    Namely, at right back. Centreback. And right wing...martinez is an interesting buy, but we did lack a goalscoring threat from midfield last season, and have done on the left wing since nedved left...which leads me onto this analysis of one of the other reasons, far less talked about, of our shocking season recently dead and buried.

    EVERY team which covets success, needs NOT 11 matchwinners, players who can win a game singlehandedly. One or two are enough. Especially as these kind of players, can often drift in and out of games. What is far more essential for a team is HUNGER, DETERMINATION, DESIRE. Only one player can be 'carried'. At best.

    Also, a team needs LEADERS. Not just a captain. but leaders. players whose heads never drop, whose infectious demand for victory, for competetiveness, affects everyone around them. I mean players like Di Livio...Torricelli...Ravanelli...and NEDVED. Nedved is odd in that group, for he was an exceptionally rare mix of ultra talented and driven like a rabid wolverine protecting her cubs. But still...with Nedved gone last season, who was left as leaders or even ferociously hungry, on the pitch for us???? Mental Steel...where was it???

    Not in Grosso, Melo, Diego, Cannavaro. Not anywhere else on the field, other than in some way, with Chiellini, and more usefully, with Buffon. Iaquinta has the hunger, but not the quality, though still shows, to me, always...wonderful spirit. Just a shame he needs 10 chances to score one goal, which would perhaps outweigh the positive effects his inner drive brings to the team.

    So...for me, its MORE important that we now sign players with serious hunger, serious mental steel, than opting solely for talent. we have talent in the squad. Enough to build a wonderful team still, without replacing everyone...CHiellini, Buffon, Marchisio, Diego. Potentially Giovinco. And now Motta and Bonucci, two young italian players who both have the potential to become at least, very decent players.

    Pepe may not be Camo, in terms of skill, but his head is screwed on far more comfortably. His technique is decent, if not awe inspiring, and from what i know of him, he will run and run and run. A true worker ant. Martinez seems like a player who ENJOYS pressure, rather than shys away from it, hence his impressive haul of goals for catania against high level opposition. And in dark times...like the goal he scored to stave off relegation. its THAT kind of player we need at the club.

    Mexes to add to bonucci. a decent left back...then we need only tinker with the attack. Where I have a suspicion, we WILL sign someone high quality. Aguero or Dzeko. Maybe Krasic will be that big signing, but still, i reckon there will be someone BIGGER coming to us. Krasic fits my demand for mental strength aligned to talent. The other signings make me smile for similar reasons, less talent, but UP FOR A FIGHT. and last season, more than anything else, including shocking management, we lacked FIGHT.
     
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    Although its yet unclear, as to what formation Del Neri is working towards, his work with Marotta so far, has impressed me. For they have moved, hard and fast, to improve areas of the team where ALL formations require more strength than we have had for a while.

    Namely, at right back. Centreback. And right wing...martinez is an interesting buy, but we did lack a goalscoring threat from midfield last season, and have done on the left wing since nedved left...which leads me onto this analysis of one of the other reasons, far less talked about, of our shocking season recently dead and buried.

    EVERY team which covets success, needs NOT 11 matchwinners, players who can win a game singlehandedly. One or two are enough. Especially as these kind of players, can often drift in and out of games. What is far more essential for a team is HUNGER, DETERMINATION, DESIRE. Only one player can be 'carried'. At best.

    Also, a team needs LEADERS. Not just a captain. but leaders. players whose heads never drop, whose infectious demand for victory, for competetiveness, affects everyone around them. I mean players like Di Livio...Torricelli...Ravanelli...and NEDVED. Nedved is odd in that group, for he was an exceptionally rare mix of ultra talented and driven like a rabid wolverine protecting her cubs. But still...with Nedved gone last season, who was left as leaders or even ferociously hungry, on the pitch for us???? Mental Steel...where was it???

    Not in Grosso, Melo, Diego, Cannavaro. Not anywhere else on the field, other than in some way, with Chiellini, and more usefully, with Buffon. Iaquinta has the hunger, but not the quality, though still shows, to me, always...wonderful spirit. Just a shame he needs 10 chances to score one goal, which would perhaps outweigh the positive effects his inner drive brings to the team.

    So...for me, its MORE important that we now sign players with serious hunger, serious mental steel, than opting solely for talent. we have talent in the squad. Enough to build a wonderful team still, without replacing everyone...CHiellini, Buffon, Marchisio, Diego. Potentially Giovinco. And now Motta and Bonucci, two young italian players who both have the potential to become at least, very decent players.

    Pepe may not be Camo, in terms of skill, but his head is screwed on far more comfortably. His technique is decent, if not awe inspiring, and from what i know of him, he will run and run and run. A true worker ant. Martinez seems like a player who ENJOYS pressure, rather than shys away from it, hence his impressive haul of goals for catania against high level opposition. And in dark times...like the goal he scored to stave off relegation. its THAT kind of player we need at the club.

    Mexes to add to bonucci. a decent left back...then we need only tinker with the attack. Where I have a suspicion, we WILL sign someone high quality. Aguero or Dzeko. Maybe Krasic will be that big signing, but still, i reckon there will be someone BIGGER coming to us. Krasic fits my demand for mental strength aligned to talent. The other signings make me smile for similar reasons, less talent, but UP FOR A FIGHT. and last season, more than anything else, including shocking management, we lacked FIGHT.
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    gaylord

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    don't we have a thread for players that are leaving this summer? ?!

    who is leaving? Giovinco close to moving now.. who else - yes Cannavaro went thank god. did we manage to sell anyone else?
     

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    Although its yet unclear, as to what formation Del Neri is working towards, his work with Marotta so far, has impressed me. For they have moved, hard and fast, to improve areas of the team where ALL formations require more strength than we have had for a while.

    Namely, at right back. Centreback. And right wing...martinez is an interesting buy, but we did lack a goalscoring threat from midfield last season, and have done on the left wing since nedved left...which leads me onto this analysis of one of the other reasons, far less talked about, of our shocking season recently dead and buried.

    EVERY team which covets success, needs NOT 11 matchwinners, players who can win a game singlehandedly. One or two are enough. Especially as these kind of players, can often drift in and out of games. What is far more essential for a team is HUNGER, DETERMINATION, DESIRE. Only one player can be 'carried'. At best.

    Also, a team needs LEADERS. Not just a captain. but leaders. players whose heads never drop, whose infectious demand for victory, for competetiveness, affects everyone around them. I mean players like Di Livio...Torricelli...Ravanelli...and NEDVED. Nedved is odd in that group, for he was an exceptionally rare mix of ultra talented and driven like a rabid wolverine protecting her cubs. But still...with Nedved gone last season, who was left as leaders or even ferociously hungry, on the pitch for us???? Mental Steel...where was it???

    Not in Grosso, Melo, Diego, Cannavaro. Not anywhere else on the field, other than in some way, with Chiellini, and more usefully, with Buffon. Iaquinta has the hunger, but not the quality, though still shows, to me, always...wonderful spirit. Just a shame he needs 10 chances to score one goal, which would perhaps outweigh the positive effects his inner drive brings to the team.

    So...for me, its MORE important that we now sign players with serious hunger, serious mental steel, than opting solely for talent. we have talent in the squad. Enough to build a wonderful team still, without replacing everyone...CHiellini, Buffon, Marchisio, Diego. Potentially Giovinco. And now Motta and Bonucci, two young italian players who both have the potential to become at least, very decent players.

    Pepe may not be Camo, in terms of skill, but his head is screwed on far more comfortably. His technique is decent, if not awe inspiring, and from what i know of him, he will run and run and run. A true worker ant. Martinez seems like a player who ENJOYS pressure, rather than shys away from it, hence his impressive haul of goals for catania against high level opposition. And in dark times...like the goal he scored to stave off relegation. its THAT kind of player we need at the club.

    Mexes to add to bonucci. a decent left back...then we need only tinker with the attack. Where I have a suspicion, we WILL sign someone high quality. Aguero or Dzeko. Maybe Krasic will be that big signing, but still, i reckon there will be someone BIGGER coming to us. Krasic fits my demand for mental strength aligned to talent. The other signings make me smile for similar reasons, less talent, but UP FOR A FIGHT. and last season, more than anything else, including shocking management, we lacked FIGHT.


    Barzagli?:biggrin:
     
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    I hope your humour is a million miles away from reality, Noussa!

    Now...onto where we are at, in terms of the summer mercato and the renovation, that has been taking place since the end of last season.

    Now that the Dzeko business seems to be dying down, I am madly focused on Krasic. Especially after seeing what Diego can do in a more advanced position with other ball playing midfielders nearby, and Amauri, seemingly, taking to the field with renewed confidence. Admittedly, I am talking of pre-season, but also, it must be taken into account, that as a squad we are far from near optimum match sharpness, we have five new players to integrate into the team, and also, a new manager and set of coaches. The reason I am so madly keen on Krasic, is that I am certain, that Diego needs only the nearby presence of players who are comfortable on the ball with the intelligence to make decent runs off the ball, in order for the brazilian to show us a semblance of the form which made him such a big hit in Germany. He lacked this last season, and was also deployed in a role which basically demanded of him more than anyone but an accomplished Zidane could manage. Amauri looks fit and eager. Add to this a Krasic and Martinez/Pepe/ Lanzafame, and our offensive unit looks vastly improved. I will be perfectly content to keep the same strikers. DP will be sub. And despite my reservations of having a Captain constantly on the bench, he remains capable of moments of world class magic. Which leaves Amauri/Trez/Iaquinta, in that order most likely, to battle for the lead striker role. One more than is necessary. So Iaquinta can go.

    Onto central midfield...
    It appears that Ekdal is on his way out on loan again, which is annoying, for I would very much like to see how he fared alongside Marchisio in the middle. The swede seems capable of tackling and composed on the ball. Like Marchisio really. Perhaps more slick, but less mobile. The loan is especially annoying when I consider that Momo's only use to the team is tackling. His passing has become a disgrace, over the last year. With decent coaching, it could be improved, and if that giant could pass, even short and simple, he would be a massive asset to any team, mainly due to the serious ferocity of his tackling and atheleticism. But I am not dealing with Hope here, just the Now and the Actual.
    Next is Melo. Far too few flashes of brilliance, both in the tackle and on the ball last season. He cost us a fucking bomb. Sell him now, or exchange him, and we lose big. So, as it seems, he is to be given another chance. I will suggest that much of his error prone first season with us was down to the coaching and tactics. That excuses some of his poor form, but not all. For the rest is attributed to his woeful mental tendencies...As a central midfielder in a 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1, who can say how he will perform? the thing is, he can pass. Not just simply, but as my english mates would say 'he can see a pass'. he can also tackle, and has shown major enthusiasm for winning the ball. He falls into a similar category to Momo : Needs decent coaching and direction and deployment.

    Lastly we have Poulsen, who I will try to be brief about, as he seems surplus to requirements in Del Neri's mind and connected with Liverpool. The dane looked wicked in Germany, decent in Spain, shocking for us. However, he has shown, me at least, that he is a far safer bet than both Momo and Melo. Especially if he was given more defensive duties, allowing marchisio to plough forward more.

    Its my first minor concern for what Del Neri is creating. The fact that to my mind, he is letting go, the two players who seem a far safer bet to play alongside Marchisio in the middle of the park. He knows better than me though...

    Which leaves us the defence. Right back has been improved. As has the central area. Whilst we could do with a decent extra centreback, the major trouble now is at left back, where De Ceglie seems likely to be kept on, and Grosso will be culled. Who we sign at left back will have a major impact on our season. Moreso, I dare say, than whether we finally grab Krasic or not.
     

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