Paul Pogba (159 Viewers)
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@IlCapitano is a great poster. I just find his love for Pogba and obsession with bringing him back somewhat “mindbottling”
But like you said, we all have our strange obsessions. Me and my boy Alvaro
. I’m kind of annoyed with him right now though lol 
When I say bad team I don't mean bad individuals. United have obviously had some great individuals but the club as a whole is just bad and toxic. No leadership, no ambition, no clear plan.
Pogba has stood out and had great stats previous to last season but then that was not enough and it was called stat padding. And you want to call out someone for hypocrisy.
See, I just love that you went there because once again I can prove you have no clue what you're talking about, you make shit up and I can use your logic against you.
This was Pogba last season before Bruno was acquired:
Also did not play a single EL game until after the COVID break. So no, United were not languishing midtable because of Pogba. Or actually using your logic how we are bad this year because we're missing Dybala - United were bad because they missed Pogba.
"Trophies" > no trophies
OR if you like this more: "trophies" > those same competitions where Bruno and Ole have been eliminated 6 times in a row or something..
Pogba has stood out and had great stats previous to last season but then that was not enough and it was called stat padding. And you want to call out someone for hypocrisy.
See, I just love that you went there because once again I can prove you have no clue what you're talking about, you make shit up and I can use your logic against you.
This was Pogba last season before Bruno was acquired:
Also did not play a single EL game until after the COVID break. So no, United were not languishing midtable because of Pogba. Or actually using your logic how we are bad this year because we're missing Dybala - United were bad because they missed Pogba.
"Trophies" = Europa League and League Cup 
Pogba was not even their best player during this time. Herrera was voted Man United best player in 2016/17 and De Gea was in 2017/18.
Pogba was not even their best player during this time. Herrera was voted Man United best player in 2016/17 and De Gea was in 2017/18.
OR if you like this more: "trophies" > those same competitions where Bruno and Ole have been eliminated 6 times in a row or something..
When I say bad team I don't mean bad individuals. United have obviously had some great individuals but the club as a whole is just bad and toxic. No leadership, no ambition, no clear plan.
Pogba has stood out and had great stats previous to last season but then that was not enough and it was called stat padding. And you want to call out someone for hypocrisy.
See, I just love that you went there because once again I can prove you have no clue what you're talking about, you make shit up and I can use your logic against you.
This was Pogba last season before Bruno was acquired:
Also did not play a single EL game until after the COVID break. So no, United were not languishing midtable because of Pogba. Or actually using your logic how we are bad this year because we're missing Dybala - United were bad because they missed Pogba.
"Trophies" > no trophies
OR if you like this more: "trophies" > those same competitions where Bruno and Ole have been eliminated 6 times in a row or something..
Pogba has stood out and had great stats previous to last season but then that was not enough and it was called stat padding. And you want to call out someone for hypocrisy.
See, I just love that you went there because once again I can prove you have no clue what you're talking about, you make shit up and I can use your logic against you.
This was Pogba last season before Bruno was acquired:
Also did not play a single EL game until after the COVID break. So no, United were not languishing midtable because of Pogba. Or actually using your logic how we are bad this year because we're missing Dybala - United were bad because they missed Pogba.
"Trophies" > no trophies
OR if you like this more: "trophies" > those same competitions where Bruno and Ole have been eliminated 6 times in a row or something..
Excuses excuses excuses
We don't have any ambition or a clear plan anymore since Tici took over as sporting director, but that didn't stop Dybala and Ronaldo from carrying Sarri to the Scudetto when the rest of the team (particularly the midfield) was a complete shambles.
All you make for this clown are endless excuses to why he has flopped.
This was Dybala's performance in 2019/20 while playing in front of a mediocre midfield and for a mediocre coach:
Damn, I knew that Pogba was injury prone but I didn't realize just how bad it had become.
Anyway, Pogba was fit for most of 2018/19 when United finished in 6th place (while the team was build around Pogba).
United improved significantly when Fernandes arrived and took over his position as free-rooming midfielder.
Fernandes has made Pogba irrelevant. I don't care what second rate trophies Mourinho won with United half a decade ago.
We don't have any ambition or a clear plan anymore since Tici took over as sporting director, but that didn't stop Dybala and Ronaldo from carrying Sarri to the Scudetto when the rest of the team (particularly the midfield) was a complete shambles.
All you make for this clown are endless excuses to why he has flopped.
This was Dybala's performance in 2019/20 while playing in front of a mediocre midfield and for a mediocre coach:
Damn, I knew that Pogba was injury prone but I didn't realize just how bad it had become.
Anyway, Pogba was fit for most of 2018/19 when United finished in 6th place (while the team was build around Pogba).
United improved significantly when Fernandes arrived and took over his position as free-rooming midfielder.
Fernandes has made Pogba irrelevant. I don't care what second rate trophies Mourinho won with United half a decade ago.
Excuses excuses excuses
We don't have any ambition or a clear plan anymore since Tici took over as sporting director, but that didn't stop Dybala and Ronaldo from carrying Sarri to the Scudetto when the rest of the team (particularly the midfield) was a complete shambles.
All you make for this clown are endless excuses to why he has flopped.
This was Dybala's performance in 2019/20 while playing in front of a mediocre midfield and for a mediocre coach:
Damn, I knew that Pogba was injury prone but I didn't realize just how bad it had become.
Anyway, Pogba was fit for most of 2018/19 when United finished in 6th place (while the team was build around Pogba).
United improved significantly when Fernandes arrived and took over his position as free-rooming midfielder.
Fernandes has made Pogba irrelevant. I don't care what second rate trophies Mourinho won with United half a decade ago.
We don't have any ambition or a clear plan anymore since Tici took over as sporting director, but that didn't stop Dybala and Ronaldo from carrying Sarri to the Scudetto when the rest of the team (particularly the midfield) was a complete shambles.
All you make for this clown are endless excuses to why he has flopped.
This was Dybala's performance in 2019/20 while playing in front of a mediocre midfield and for a mediocre coach:
Damn, I knew that Pogba was injury prone but I didn't realize just how bad it had become.
Anyway, Pogba was fit for most of 2018/19 when United finished in 6th place (while the team was build around Pogba).
United improved significantly when Fernandes arrived and took over his position as free-rooming midfielder.
Fernandes has made Pogba irrelevant. I don't care what second rate trophies Mourinho won with United half a decade ago.
I am not going to go in circles again with you. You're clearly just jumping from one made up thing to another.
Again, what excuses? I never said Pogba wasn't bad or that his teammates are making him bad or that he is justified to be bad when his team is bad.
YOU made the comparison between Dybala and Pogba. I don't agree with Pogba's attitude or Dybala's attitude. I just made an important distinction since YOU compared them. And it is an important one. A world of difference between being bad in a disfunctional team and a good team.
And it didn't stop Pogba winning 3 trophies with them initially. But having Ronaldo and De Ligt and Chiesa didn't stop us from losing the Scudetto this year. Doesn't mean they're bad players.
Again, I am not. Pogba is not justified for being bad, you always want your players to be leaders. But again, you compared Dybala and Pogba and I pointed out a clear distinction between their situations. Doesn't mean Pogba is excused for not being good or that he didn't flop.
As I said previously, we need a Pogba (or Aouar) type in midfield more than we need a Dybala type in attack and that is why I'd choose Pogba along with previously stated reasons, but I have no issue with both of them being here if they're going to play well. I think the course has run out on Dybala here, but miracles do happen and him and PP did have good chemistry together.
So his second worst season at Juve? Sounds about right. Pogba had stats like that playing from midfield, but according to you (and you'd be right) that is a flop season from him.
Putting up stats while not winning anything is not an improvement on putting up stats and winning at least something no matter how many times you wish to repeat it.
Not going to address already proven lies anymore.
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No, my stated fact was that when Pogba was good United won trophies. You said they improved with Bruno, which is clearly false since they won nothing and Bruno choked every single big game they had.
Again, what excuses? I never said Pogba wasn't bad or that his teammates are making him bad or that he is justified to be bad when his team is bad.
YOU made the comparison between Dybala and Pogba. I don't agree with Pogba's attitude or Dybala's attitude. I just made an important distinction since YOU compared them. And it is an important one. A world of difference between being bad in a disfunctional team and a good team.
And it didn't stop Pogba winning 3 trophies with them initially. But having Ronaldo and De Ligt and Chiesa didn't stop us from losing the Scudetto this year. Doesn't mean they're bad players.
Again, I am not. Pogba is not justified for being bad, you always want your players to be leaders. But again, you compared Dybala and Pogba and I pointed out a clear distinction between their situations. Doesn't mean Pogba is excused for not being good or that he didn't flop.
As I said previously, we need a Pogba (or Aouar) type in midfield more than we need a Dybala type in attack and that is why I'd choose Pogba along with previously stated reasons, but I have no issue with both of them being here if they're going to play well. I think the course has run out on Dybala here, but miracles do happen and him and PP did have good chemistry together.
So his second worst season at Juve? Sounds about right. Pogba had stats like that playing from midfield, but according to you (and you'd be right) that is a flop season from him.
Putting up stats while not winning anything is not an improvement on putting up stats and winning at least something no matter how many times you wish to repeat it.
Not going to address already proven lies anymore.
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No, my stated fact was that when Pogba was good United won trophies. You said they improved with Bruno, which is clearly false since they won nothing and Bruno choked every single big game they had.
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Pogba's best season statistically was 2018/19, when he scored 16 goals, but was also Man United's main penalty taker. Other than that he's been mostly reduced to single digit seasons in England.
Anyway, that's not the point because I don't judge players by statistics (especially not midfielders). Pogba has been a flop because he's never managed a consistently good season at Man United.
As for 2019/20 being Dybala's second worst season, if that is true, he must be some player, because his 2019/20 season was better than any season in Pogba's career.
Please don't try to count the Charity Shield. Mourinho was mocked to the heavens for bragging about his "3 trophies" at Man United because nobody in England takes the Charity Shield seriously, it's a glorified Audi Cup.
Your argument about how Pogba is better than Fernandes because Man United won trophies when he was good for them, is as retarded as arguing that Dybala is better than Ronaldo because we were better when Dybala was good for us.
Do you see the flaw in your own logic?
If we sell Dybala, we will need a new top forward who can score a goal every other game and can dribble in tight spaces. Dybala is much more difficult to replace than you think, as we have found out the hard way this season.
A replacement for Dybala will probably cost just as much, if not more than buying a quality midfielder.
But yes, Pogba would be a welcome addition to this team since he is obviously more talented than all our other midfielders. That said, he's not worth sacrificing Dybala for. Dybala has shown more value to Juve than Pogba has done to any of his clubs, and he's less injury prone. and he's just a better player to be honest.
Anyway, that's not the point because I don't judge players by statistics (especially not midfielders). Pogba has been a flop because he's never managed a consistently good season at Man United.
As for 2019/20 being Dybala's second worst season, if that is true, he must be some player, because his 2019/20 season was better than any season in Pogba's career.
Please don't try to count the Charity Shield. Mourinho was mocked to the heavens for bragging about his "3 trophies" at Man United because nobody in England takes the Charity Shield seriously, it's a glorified Audi Cup.
Your argument about how Pogba is better than Fernandes because Man United won trophies when he was good for them, is as retarded as arguing that Dybala is better than Ronaldo because we were better when Dybala was good for us.
Do you see the flaw in your own logic?
If we sell Dybala, we will need a new top forward who can score a goal every other game and can dribble in tight spaces. Dybala is much more difficult to replace than you think, as we have found out the hard way this season.
A replacement for Dybala will probably cost just as much, if not more than buying a quality midfielder.
But yes, Pogba would be a welcome addition to this team since he is obviously more talented than all our other midfielders. That said, he's not worth sacrificing Dybala for. Dybala has shown more value to Juve than Pogba has done to any of his clubs, and he's less injury prone. and he's just a better player to be honest.
No because that is not my logic. My logic is winners>losers, not 5 trophies>3 trophies.
Pogba has won trophies for them, Bruno has not. Pogba has stat padded and was mocked, Bruno stat padding and celebrated.
We need a striker with Dybala or without. Chiesa is playing better than him at any point during the last 3 years so no we are not going to miss him at all.
Pogba has won trophies for them, Bruno has not. Pogba has stat padded and was mocked, Bruno stat padding and celebrated.
We need a striker with Dybala or without. Chiesa is playing better than him at any point during the last 3 years so no we are not going to miss him at all.