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too bad Pjanic is "most definitely not WC" - Xturd©
though. :depressed
Havent you embarassed yourself already in the Alves thread?
You went from saying Vrsaljko is not good enough for Juve to saying a ' 20M investment on him would pay off' just after we were linked to Alves.Dat backtracking
And then you were talking about some Elia gifs just to make a point
Stick to Bayern and Bundesliga.Your opinions are so clueless its embarassing.
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Modric,Iniesta,Kroos,Silva,Özil,Pogba,Verratti,Thiago,Hames,De Bruyne,Willian.Off the top of my head.
Cream of the crop CM/AM's.Pjanic is not elite.
He's probably same level as Eriksen right now.
Haha so obsessed
Havent you embarassed yourself already in the Alves thread?
You went from saying Vrsaljko is not good enough for Juve to saying a ' 20M investment on him would pay off' just after we were linked to Alves.Dat backtracking
And then you were talking about some Elia gifs just to make a point
Stick to Bayern and Bundesliga.Your opinions are so clueless its embarassing.
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Modric,Iniesta,Kroos,Silva,Özil,Pogba,Verratti,Thiago,Hames,De Bruyne,Willian.Off the top of my head.
Cream of the crop CM/AM's.Pjanic is not elite.
He's probably same level as Eriksen right now.
Havent you embarassed yourself already in the Alves thread?
You went from saying Vrsaljko is not good enough for Juve to saying a ' 20M investment on him would pay off' just after we were linked to Alves.Dat backtracking
And then you were talking about some Elia gifs just to make a point
Stick to Bayern and Bundesliga.Your opinions are so clueless its embarassing.
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Modric,Iniesta,Kroos,Silva,Özil,Pogba,Verratti,Thiago,Hames,De Bruyne,Willian.Off the top of my head.
Cream of the crop CM/AM's.Pjanic is not elite.
He's probably same level as Eriksen right now.
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I love the vagueness. Time zones and all. Adds an extra thrill, they're never quite safe.
Haha so obsessed
Havent you embarassed yourself already in the Alves thread?
You went from saying Vrsaljko is not good enough for Juve to saying a ' 20M investment on him would pay off' just after we were linked to Alves.Dat backtracking
And then you were talking about some Elia gifs just to make a point
Stick to Bayern and Bundesliga.Your opinions are so clueless its embarassing.
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Modric,Iniesta,Kroos,Silva,Özil,Pogba,Verratti,Thiago,Hames,De Bruyne,Willian.Off the top of my head.
Cream of the crop CM/AM's.Pjanic is not elite.
He's probably same level as Eriksen right now.
Havent you embarassed yourself already in the Alves thread?
You went from saying Vrsaljko is not good enough for Juve to saying a ' 20M investment on him would pay off' just after we were linked to Alves.Dat backtracking
And then you were talking about some Elia gifs just to make a point
Stick to Bayern and Bundesliga.Your opinions are so clueless its embarassing.
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Modric,Iniesta,Kroos,Silva,Özil,Pogba,Verratti,Thiago,Hames,De Bruyne,Willian.Off the top of my head.
Cream of the crop CM/AM's.Pjanic is not elite.
He's probably same level as Eriksen right now.
about Alves and Vrsaljko...you didn't notice a slight hint of getting trolled right? so serious all the time. can't take a joke but loves to bitch about other users.
and thanks for showing again why you aren't a expert.
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compares Willian to Pjanic - but i am clueless. love it.
You guys talk like he's a classical TQ which he is not.He plays multiple positions so its only fair to compare him with other midfielders.Elite means being top 5 in your position and he's neither that at CM or AM.
And anyone who doesnt think Willian isnt an AM simply dont understand football or rather watch football with FIFA/PES lenses.
And DANiDEViL,your sarcasm is not funny.Please go.
And anyone who doesnt think Willian isnt an AM simply dont understand football or rather watch football with FIFA/PES lenses.
And DANiDEViL,your sarcasm is not funny.Please go.
Yes I am considering taking a break.
Reading mercato rumors have become nauseating.
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All those mids i mentioned are world class.
Lets look at Pjanic as only a creative mid and not an AM and you'll see he's below the names i mentioned.
Perhaps he's on the cusp of being WC ?He still needs to prove himself at elite level in big games.Stats alone isnt going to make him WC.If you think so then you have a very loose definition of WC.
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And yes,there are only two WC mids in Italy-Marchisio and Pogba
Reading mercato rumors have become nauseating.
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All those mids i mentioned are world class.
Lets look at Pjanic as only a creative mid and not an AM and you'll see he's below the names i mentioned.
Perhaps he's on the cusp of being WC ?He still needs to prove himself at elite level in big games.Stats alone isnt going to make him WC.If you think so then you have a very loose definition of WC.
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And yes,there are only two WC mids in Italy-Marchisio and Pogba
Yes I am considering taking a break.
Reading mercato rumors have become nauseating.
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All those mids i mentioned are world class.
Lets look at Pjanic as only a creative mid and not an AM and you'll see he's below the names i mentioned.
Perhaps he's on the cusp of being WC ?He still needs to prove himself at elite level in big games.Stats alone isnt going to make him WC.If you think so then you have a very loose definition of WC.
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And yes,there are only two WC mids in Italy-Marchisio and Pogba
Reading mercato rumors have become nauseating.
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All those mids i mentioned are world class.
Lets look at Pjanic as only a creative mid and not an AM and you'll see he's below the names i mentioned.
Perhaps he's on the cusp of being WC ?He still needs to prove himself at elite level in big games.Stats alone isnt going to make him WC.If you think so then you have a very loose definition of WC.
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And yes,there are only two WC mids in Italy-Marchisio and Pogba
Stats wouldnt matter if they werent as impressive as Pjanics. Few players had such great seasons, and if you watched him play more you would realize hes a player capable of creating a goal out of nothing, be it a through ball or a 35 meters FK
Edit: Sami too
Napoli
-Udinese willing to sell them Zielinski for €15m
-Agreement made with Sassuolo and Vrsaljko, just waiting on if Atletico's offer
-Agreement made with Herrera, have to negotiate down from Porto's €25mil demand
http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/eng/napolis-transfer-window-from-zielinski-to-herrera/
On top of Tonelli, they'd be making some strong moves if they could get these sorts of deals completed.
-Udinese willing to sell them Zielinski for €15m
-Agreement made with Sassuolo and Vrsaljko, just waiting on if Atletico's offer
-Agreement made with Herrera, have to negotiate down from Porto's €25mil demand
http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/eng/napolis-transfer-window-from-zielinski-to-herrera/
On top of Tonelli, they'd be making some strong moves if they could get these sorts of deals completed.
As someone whose been watching Pjanic since he was a teenager, I have to say I always rated him very highly. He started out as a pure AM and sometimes even played on the wings for Metz back in the day. But ever since he moved to Lyon he's been playing mostly as a creative CM in a 3 man midfield; I guess he's mostly played a similar role in Roma as well.
In terms of the term "world class", I don't know it depends how strict or loose you are in using that term. For me, you have to be one of the best players in your position consistently over an extended number of years to be considered world class, and you must have proven yourself at the highest level too. I think Pjanic borders on world class, but I wouldn't be comfortable in giving him that label personally.
Also you can only really compare him to CM's, as that is the position he's played in the last few years. I don't think you can compare him to pure AM's like Ozil, Silva, Willian and the likes. It would make more sense IMO to compare him to players who play either the CM position in a two man or a three man midfield. I would say Iniesta, Fabregas, Pogba, Modric, Kroos, Vidal and Veratti are definitely better than him as CM's. Then its debatable whether the likes of Marchisio and Rakitic for example are as good as he is.
Obviously it is a little difficult when you compare him to other players who are CM's for the most part but play a different role like Vidal, Kroos, Veratti and Marhcisio. Those players while being CM's for the most part are not always CM's that are responsible for scoring and/or assisting a lot of goals, and generally would play a more defensive role than Pjanic does.
Comparisons in the CM position IMO are very complicated, it isn't as straightforward as comparing attackers, or comparing centerbacks for example, because there is such a wide variety for roles a CM can play.
In terms of the term "world class", I don't know it depends how strict or loose you are in using that term. For me, you have to be one of the best players in your position consistently over an extended number of years to be considered world class, and you must have proven yourself at the highest level too. I think Pjanic borders on world class, but I wouldn't be comfortable in giving him that label personally.
Also you can only really compare him to CM's, as that is the position he's played in the last few years. I don't think you can compare him to pure AM's like Ozil, Silva, Willian and the likes. It would make more sense IMO to compare him to players who play either the CM position in a two man or a three man midfield. I would say Iniesta, Fabregas, Pogba, Modric, Kroos, Vidal and Veratti are definitely better than him as CM's. Then its debatable whether the likes of Marchisio and Rakitic for example are as good as he is.
Obviously it is a little difficult when you compare him to other players who are CM's for the most part but play a different role like Vidal, Kroos, Veratti and Marhcisio. Those players while being CM's for the most part are not always CM's that are responsible for scoring and/or assisting a lot of goals, and generally would play a more defensive role than Pjanic does.
Comparisons in the CM position IMO are very complicated, it isn't as straightforward as comparing attackers, or comparing centerbacks for example, because there is such a wide variety for roles a CM can play.
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