Movie Talk (New Films, Old Films... doesn't matter) (75 Viewers)

[acmilan]

@GB

I get the trilogy thing going on here but for a comparison to be relevant, one needs to compare things that actually have something in common - like say a genre, when it comes to a movie - and not just an obscure number.
I can understand people comparing LOTR with Dark Knight, Superman, and if I really force my imagination, even Star Wars. But the Godfather? What the heck do these have in common besides the "more than one movie" thing?

 

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[Enron]

@GB

I get the trilogy thing going on here but for a comparison to be relevant, one needs to compare things that actually have something in common - like say a genre, when it comes to a movie - and not just an obscure number.
I can understand people comparing LOTR with Dark Knight, Superman, and if I really force my imagination, even Star Wars. But the Godfather? What the heck do these have in common besides the "more than one movie" thing?

They are movies. Just because something is fantasy or science fiction doesn't mean it can't be well done. The whole "you can't compare the Godfather trilogy to LOTR because Michael isn't a hobbit" rule is just silly. You probably can't compare the films side by side but you can compare the trilogies based on the criteria of strongest film, weakest film, strength of plot, consistency of the canon/mythology, the ending, etc.

Both LOTR, Batman, and the Godfather would be considered epic stories.

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I didn't think you were serious. But still, brings back memories. Now I can't wait to see it again. lol

They are so good as far as silly horror goes.

 

[Stevie]

Batman Begins sucks.

It is my favourite out of the 3.

 

[ZoSo]

The first one is great. Katie Holmes

I reckon the last one is the least good out of the 3.

 

[acmilan]

They are movies. Just because something is fantasy or science fiction doesn't mean it can't be well done. The whole "you can't compare the Godfather trilogy to LOTR because Michael isn't a hobbit" rule is just silly. You probably can't compare the films side by side but you can compare the trilogies based on the criteria of strongest film, weakest film, strength of plot, consistency of the canon/mythology, the ending, etc.

Both LOTR, Batman, and the Godfather would be considered epic stories.

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They are so good as far as silly horror goes.

of course one can compare them the way you mentioned - to take it even further down the line of extreme examples, one can similarly compare Tom & Jerry the movie and Shrek with the Godfather.
What I meant was that there was rather limited to no basis for a meaningful comparison.

The Godfather is fiction in itself but depicts real life as close as Puso/Coppola could get w/o ending up with a horse's head in their bedsheets ... actually, iirc, Puso did get death threats at the time. The LOTR and Dark knight, on the other hand, are so far from reality that you can put a unicorn in there and it's not gonna feel out of place ... on second thought, iirc, there was one in LOTR . Any character development is thus taking place in drastically different environments/circumstances - in one case a harsh, real-life like story where there is little to nothing to feel good about, in the other a brother's Grimm on steroids, good-beats-evil, feel-good all the way plot closely following a comic/children's book. Sure there would be some character development in both cases but how do you even begin to compare those in the first place? On what basis - which character faster realizes that being good is ... good and being bad is ... bad, while going thru the most ridiculously unrealistic situations?

Not to mention that LOTR and the likes are heavily based on special effects, which is such a widely and also overused tactic to compensate for the lack of or big shortcomings in the plot of the movie. take away the special, fairy-tale effects from those movies and what do you have left in the end - Hansel and Gretel in PG13 form. Do that to a movie like the GF and you have the whole movie left. So, how do you compare "strength" of a movie here? By which movie takes H. and G. back home using the safest and shortest path thru the forest?

 

[swag]

It is my favourite out of the 3.

I prefer Batman and Robin Escape from Guantanamo Bay.

 

[Vinny Del Pogba]

of course one can compare them the way you mentioned - to take it even further down the line of extreme examples, one can similarly compare Tom & Jerry the movie and Shrek with the Godfather.
What I meant was that there was rather limited to no basis for a meaningful comparison.

The Godfather is fiction in itself but depicts real life as close as Puso/Coppola could get w/o ending up with a horse's head in their bedsheets ... actually, iirc, Puso did get death threats at the time. The LOTR and Dark knight, on the other hand, are so far from reality that you can put a unicorn in there and it's not gonna feel out of place ... on second thought, iirc, there was one in LOTR . Any character development is thus taking place in drastically different environments/circumstances - in one case a harsh, real-life like story where there is little to nothing to feel good about, in the other a brother's Grimm on steroids, good-beats-evil, feel-good all the way plot closely following a comic/children's book. Sure there would be some character development in both cases but how do you even begin to compare those in the first place? On what basis - which character faster realizes that being good is ... good and being bad is ... bad, while going thru the most ridiculously unrealistic situations?

Not to mention that LOTR and the likes are heavily based on special effects, which is such a widely and also overused tactic to compensate for the lack of or big shortcomings in the plot of the movie. take away the special, fairy-tale effects from those movies and what do you have left in the end - Hansel and Gretel in PG13 form. Do that to a movie like the GF and you have the whole movie left. So, how do you compare "strength" of a movie here? By which movie takes H. and G. back home using the safest and shortest path thru the forest?

Strip away all the fantasy aspects of LORT and you have a story about right and wrong, good vs. evil and how people come together to solve problems, etc., etc.

 

[swag]

Strip away all the fantasy aspects of LORT and you have a story about right and wrong, good vs. evil and how people come together to solve problems, etc., etc.

So basically "Three's Company".

 

[ALC]

LOTR sucks dick.

Just saw that movie Buried btw. Good shit. Really good shit.

 

[Vinny Del Pogba]

So basically "Three's Company".

Exactly!

 

[ALC]

Does it make things clearer for you if I tell you that I couldn't finish watching Titanic and that I left the theatre halfway through?

I liked Titanic

Slightly off topic with this question, but is buying DVDs akin to buying vinyls nowadays? In terms of sheer satisfaction of owning a collection I mean?
I know people buy vinyl records because of the exclusivity of them, and the characteristic sounds they produce when played. But are the two pastimes relatable because they could be deemed as old fashioned?
I for one prefer having my DVD collection (which isn't overly impressive by any standards), as opposed to a hard-drive.

I guess, maybe. Main reason people keep vinyl is because they claim better sound than CDs and MP3s. When it comes to movies, I don't notice a difference between HD DVDs and HD downloads. Unless you're talking Blu-ray.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

I love cock.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Slightly off topic with this question, but is buying DVDs akin to buying vinyls nowadays? In terms of sheer satisfaction of owning a collection I mean?
I know people buy vinyl records because of the exclusivity of them, and the characteristic sounds they produce when played. But are the two pastimes relatable because they could be deemed as old fashioned?
I for one prefer having my DVD collection (which isn't overly impressive by any standards), as opposed to a hard-drive.

I have a pretty serious collection (mostly DVD, some BR & even a few old VHS tapes - no copies) & I like it best like that. There's just something about "physically" owning & displaying them.

All this talk and comparisons between a timeless masterpiece like the Godfather and teenage bull like that Batman shit and LOTR crap is driving a stake thru me heart. Let's put it this way - serious movies do NOT have the "honor" of being presented before all those 40 yo virgins at Comicon.

Speaking of Comic-Con: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1605782/
Recently watched it. Really enjoyable.

Whoa, that's one I haven't seen in over 20 years! Just started downloading it on pirate bay. Not sure if I've seen 2 & 3 tho, so I'm downloading those as well.

Don't forget the newest addition to the franchise: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0382943/

Strip away all the fantasy aspects of LORT and you have a story about right and wrong, good vs. evil and how people come together to solve problems, etc., etc.

Strip away the fantasy & amazing FX, and what you're left with is 12 hours of massive clichés & overearnest acting.



Watched Cosmopolis last night. I was not impressed.

 

[Martin]

Strip away the fantasy & amazing FX, and what you're left with is 12 hours of massive clichés & overearnest acting.

Many of people's favorite movies don't even have that.

As for Godfather, way too f long.

 

[Nzoric]

trolibus unum

I'm serious though. One day you'll have a teenage son and it'll hit you that your favorite movies are aimed at teenagers.

By that logic, one day you'll be 45 and realise that your favorite sitcom is aimed at people going through a period in their lives that has nothing to do with you . Tarantino is quality in every sense, from the technical aspects like the cinematography and directing, to writing scripts and picking the right music, to using cliches (he's one of the first big directors who's openly stated that almost everything has been done when it comes to movies, so it's really about taking something and putting your own spin on it to make the outcome dramatically different than the original. His use of cliches and genre cocktails are both hilarious and effective at the same time - I mean who the fuck makes a samurai movie, makes the blood spray like it's Korea, switches from black to white, and puts on latin acoustic music - and makes that movies work? I don't know, I'm pretty amazed by it

 

[Martin]

I'm touched that you spent a whole day on this comeback, for it is a good one I have to admit.

As for his movies "working", I wouldn't go that far.

 

[Nzoric]

I'm touched that you spent a whole day on this comeback, for it is a good one I have to admit.

As for his movies "working", I wouldn't go that far.

So it's a good comeback, but "nah" ?

 

[Martin]

So it's a good comeback, but "nah" ?

It's good in that it would convince someone else and some of the arguments, like everything having been said already, are good. Still doesn't make the guy's movies great.

 

[Nzoric]

It's good in that it would convince someone else and some of the arguments, like everything having been said already, are good. Still doesn't make the guy's movies great.

Hmm, one day I will break you. Have you seen all his movies? Sorry that I'm persistant, but I can't wrap my aching head around the fact that you no likey!

 

[ZoSo]

It's good in that it would convince someone else and some of the arguments, like everything having been said already, are good. Still doesn't make the guy's movies great.

Martin's brain is definitely broken.