Israeli-Palestinian conflict (41 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

  • No


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Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
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Its not a moot point, once theyre on terrorist list of UN thats binding for all the UN countries all the arabs financing them can be prosecuted for TF. Its a strong deterrant to cut off some of the financing.

Btw its been pretty fun watching several UN persons tiptoe around using the word "terrorist attack", this guy f.e.: https://press.un.org/en/2023/sgsm21981.doc.htm
More concerning is the unexplainable delusion or supreme stupidity in thinking negotiations will resolve this or it has anything to do with a 2 state solution.

And this guy is the secretary general no less, it seem like the "international community" just want this conflict to never end
 

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BayernFan

Senior Member
Feb 17, 2016
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Saw a Telegram message that Iran, Hezbollah and Syria might get directly involved in the war
Is Syria really fit to fight any war outside of their own borders?

Haven't been keeping up on the Syrian civil war recently, but it just seems highly unlikely given their own disastrous situation - even if Assad has regained control of most of the country.
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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There is no legal ground for compensation and right of return from 1948. It’s a UN declaration from the end of 1948, in December, after most of the Palestinians had already bern expelled or left. The settlements in the West Bank post-1967. Sure. Then you have an argument. You’d also have an argument for the Jews expelled all across the Arab and Islamic world post-1948. Compensation and right of return (none would take the latter obviously). 900,000 Jews left or were expelled around the Muslim world.
https://azure.org.il/include/print.php?id=581

But there are also arguments against the “right of return” and whether it even applies for mass population displacement. None of this is settled and has rarely been tried in international courts.
https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1459&context=mjil

The last article comes to the conclusion that “right of return” does apply to mass population displacement even within the original UDHR and ICCPR frameworks and legal definitions. There have been arguments made against this from a legal standpoint, but mostly from Israeli sources, so while they can make the argument, the biased position they are starting from makes it hard to consider them a good source.

So post-1948 it probably does apply. But a diplomatic solution is probably the only real possibility here. Enforcing what that guy talks about is an impossibility on many levels imo
Ok i checked out what you presented, and i think we are only disagreeing on the practicality of enforcing the law, which i actually I'm in agreement with. Nonetheless, people were kicked out never allowed to return and their property was confiscated. And this is illegal no matter the preparator and the victim.
 

Ronn

#TeamPestoFlies
May 3, 2012
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Saw a Telegram message that Iran, Hezbollah and Syria might get directly involved in the war
That's BS at least for Iran. They prop up these proxy groups like Hamas and Hezbollah so that they don't get directly involved

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What a piece of shit
 
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swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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The US and Israeli governments should also be declared as terrorist organisations.
Well, really. Based on the loose definitions in the US on what terrorism is, if it doesn't involve skin color I'm not sure how else to classify what The Boston Tea Party was. Or how Great Britain perceived the ambushes and disinformation spreading behind the Battles of Lexington and Concord.
 

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