Israeli-Palestinian conflict (79 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

  • No


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Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Yeah, I know.

But it is something I've noticed recently. I think even 10-20 years ago any reference to the Holocaust would have been enough to make people shut up about atrocities committed by Israelis. This time around it seems to have the complete opposite effect. I mean that yellow star in the UN.. It was just so wrong.

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Asking people to evacuate while there is nowhere to go to and then bombing them anyway hardly seems fair.
When you go so far that even an Israeli Holocaust memorial museum is criticizing your actions and calling them a disgrace… and then you still don’t clue in. Yikes. So far out of touch with reality.
 

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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,344
I understand you have your feelings, that's fine but I don't see the relevance.
The relevance is that Israel's governmental actors seem to be so far up their ass any hope for peace is long gone. Nothing what the state of Israel has done in recent weeks is remotely normal or justifiable. If you go on Instagram and start mouthing off a celebrity with a different opinion than your own it makes you look like a demented teenage fool. But it's not. It's fucking Israel!!

Do you understand just how crazy that is?

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When you go so far that even an Israeli Holocaust memorial museum is criticizing your actions and calling them a disgrace… and then you still don’t clue in. Yikes. So far out of touch with reality.
I know.

Hopefully most Israeli citizens weren't happy about it either.
 

BayernFan

Senior Member
Feb 17, 2016
7,123
Israel certainly are commiting war crimes as of right now, bombing the shit out of Gaza really ain't winning them much support.

I fully understand them wanting to get rid of Hamas, can't blame them for that. But bombing Gaza back to the stone age as we're seeing right now? That's plain wrong.

But what is plain wrong as well is all those who think they can shout their antisemtic tendencies in full flow because of what is happening. Seems many has been waiting for such a moment to come out with it.
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
Israel are nothing but hubris.

Your official state instagram account (ridiculous that it exists btw) is threatening celebrities that do not automatically take Israel's side. That's how deluded Israel is right now. And time and time again Israelis will claim they don't need anyone. Fine. Maybe the world does not need you. Maybe the world should stop helping Israel as it has been doing for decades. Because, maybe, if we left Israel to its own devices, this ordeal would be over quite a bit quicker than Israel expects it to be.

I feel for Israel's citizens. I really do. Just like Palestinian civilians, most of them did not decide their government's actions. But it would be helpful if they were critical.
This comes again to what I said. You keep claiming the world helps us but you haven't provided a single, real world argument how that help takes form. Again you revert to how you feel the world works but show no evidence of it.

If you can't provide any tangible argument it all seems like just ranting.

To your last point, Israelis in general are super critical of everything including our goverment. The last year massive protests showed that. This goverment right now is being critiqued to death in a un precedentent manner with almost 70% of the public asking it to step down.
We are no immune to populist politicians and Bibi is probably one of the greatest populist in world history, still no coming back from this to him and his partners.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,344
Israel certainly are commiting war crimes as of right now, bombing the shit out of Gaza really ain't winning them much support.

I fully understand them wanting to get rid of Hamas, can't blame them for that. But bombing Gaza back to the stone age as we're seeing right now? That's plain wrong.

But what is plain wrong as well is all those who think they can shout their antisemtic tendencies in full flow because of what is happening. Seems many has been waiting for such a moment to come out with it.
I have seen almost zero antisemitism.

I have seen a lot of people who dislike Israel. But they have reason to dislike Israel.

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This comes again to what I said. You keep claiming the world helps us but you haven't provided a single, real world argument how that help takes form. Again you revert to how you feel the world works but show no evidence of it.

If you can't provide any tangible argument it all seems like just ranting.
Are you serious?
 

BayernFan

Senior Member
Feb 17, 2016
7,123
I have seen almost zero antisemitism.

I have seen a lot of people who dislike Israel. But they have reason to dislike Israel.
I'm mostly talking about all those pro Hamas rallies. They're not only pro Palestine, but certainly also wishing for the death of the Jews.

And those who remove posters of missing/kidnapped people are certainly part of that gang. One thing is to dislike Israel, removing posters and wishing for all Jews to die is something else.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,344
@Tomice

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...el-aid-bill-faces-dead-end-senate-2023-11-02/

"The U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday passed a Republican plan to provide $14.3 billion in aid to Israel and cut funding of the Internal Revenue Service, despite Democrats' insistence it has no future in the Senate and the White House's promise of a veto.

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Israel already receives $3.8 billion per year in U.S. military assistance under a 10-year plan that began in 2016.".


This does look like help.
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
I have seen almost zero antisemitism.

I have seen a lot of people who dislike Israel. But they have reason to dislike Israel.

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Are you serious?
Yeah. Please prove me wrong.

And by help I hope it's clear that a mutually beneficial agreements are not help
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,344
Yeah. Please prove me wrong.

And by help I hope it's clear that a mutually beneficial agreements are not help

I've already answered elsewhere, but again: any country need mutually beneficial agreements. No one is alone in this world. For some reason this is a concept that is difficult to grasp for Israelis. But no one goes at it alone. Everyone needs allies. You simply don't have the resources you need without them.
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
@Tomice

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...el-aid-bill-faces-dead-end-senate-2023-11-02/

"The U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday passed a Republican plan to provide $14.3 billion in aid to Israel and cut funding of the Internal Revenue Service, despite Democrats' insistence it has no future in the Senate and the White House's promise of a veto.

...

Israel already receives $3.8 billion per year in U.S. military assistance under a 10-year plan that began in 2016.".

This does look like help.
It looks like you don't understand geopolitics and how the militery aid system works.

Or the US-Israeli relations.

Please provide a non US example. Or the world is just the US in your view
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,344
It looks like you don't understand geopolitics and how the militery aid system works.

Or the US-Israeli relations.

Please provide a non US example. Or the world is just the US in your view

Well, I understand the word "aid".

It seems you do not.

We were talking about help from other countries. The US is another country. Do not move the goalposts.
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
I've already answered elsewhere, but again: any country need mutually beneficial agreements. No one is alone in this world. For some reason this is a concept that is difficult to grasp for Israelis. But no one goes at it alone. Everyone needs allies. You simply don't have the resources you need without them.
That's just you projecting into Israel your impression of it. Maybe you can find a populist political saying so, or an idiot online.

You can never support that claim with facts or actions.

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Well, I understand the word "aid".

It seems you do not.

We were talking about help from other countries. The US is another country. Do not move the goalposts.
Maybe the word but not it's meaning.

No goal posts moved. You keep saying "world" and "international community" and you keep brining up only the US. If anything it just proves my point further.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,344
That's just you projecting into Israel your impression of it. Maybe you can find a populist political saying so, or an idiot online.

You can never support that claim with facts or actions.

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Maybe the word but not it's meaning.

No goal posts moved. You keep saying "world" and "international community" and you keep brining up only the US. If anything it just proves my point further.
No.

You don't get to shift around like that. You should Israel were fine alone. Alone means no US. It's that easy.
 

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