Iraq. Is it better now?? (AKA ISIS/ISIL/IS/name-of-the-week-here) (4 Viewers)

[Zacheryah]

Saw a report about it on Belgian tv today between the games. I was baffled.

Strict conservative jihad, beheading, cruficitions, and those songs against various groups of people, sickening

 

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[swag]

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[ZoSo]

Iran sent some soldiers to help, what a mess

 

[Trequartista]

Iran sent some soldiers to help, what a mess

Imagine the USA and Iran allying themselves against ISIS

 

[Zacheryah]

I know you guys wont agree and its an unpopular opinion, but back when Saddam was in charge, this stuff wouldnt have happened.

He kept the sunnites and shiites from doing this, by basically hanging the first to provoke down the lampposts next to the road

 

[Hængebøffer]

I know you guys wont agree and its an unpopular opinion, but back when Saddam was in charge, this stuff wouldnt have happened.

He kept the sunnites and shiites from doing this, by basically hanging the first to provoke down the lampposts next to the road

Like Mussolini did.

 

[Hængebøffer]

And Hitler.

 

[Hængebøffer]

And

 

[Hængebøffer]

Robbie Williams

 

[Zacheryah]

I said it was unpopular and you wouldnt agree. And unlike Hitler and Mussolini, for who germans and italians are ashamed (well, most italians), not many iraq inhabitants disliked Saddam. And if 'murica didnt provoke the gulf war, could have very well grow to what dubai is today

 

[Hængebøffer]

I'm just doing an X (a poorly X, tho)

 

[Olivaar]

I said it was unpopular and you wouldnt agree. And unlike Hitler and Mussolini, for who germans and italians are ashamed (well, most italians), not many iraq inhabitants disliked Saddam. And if 'murica didnt provoke the gulf war, could have very well grow to what dubai is today

Ignoring what he did to Iran, Kuwait, and Saudi, he murdered 250,000 of his own people. He used chemical weapons on the Kurds killing 5,000. So other than those minor indiscretions, I guess you are saying that he was pretty popular, was a renaissance man, and good for his country and the region. :facepalm2: However I do think Iraq would be not be an incubator and safe haven for Islamic terrorists if he was still in power.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

I'd like to know what people from the middle east, or muslims think about whats happening now in iraq.

Isis, the islamic state in iraq and syria is making quick progress, but are strickly conservative and want to implement the sharia where they conquer.
Truth be told, its going so quick because they are sunnites, the majority are sunnites, whilst the goverment in bagdad are shiites, wich they dont like.

I dont like this personally. It gives the bad image that islam is out there to go and conquer the world and impose their fundamentalism upon the world. Whilst the gigantic majority are just muslims, who practive their believes, and can perfectly co-exist with other religions or atheists without wanting to impose their own state.

I'd like to know muslim opinions on this, widen my views, see if i'm missing something

They are not gonna conquer the world. After USA invasion, Sunnis becomes slaves and prisoners. They have been treated like they are unwanted guests in their own country. They have been erased from government, army, judiciary and other important positions.

There is a reason why a peasant turns into a militan who can behead someone. They are human just like you all, none can claim that he would never do such a thing after living the life they have been forced to live. Mind you, it didn't happened in one day. They have been crying for justice for past 10 years but nobody bothered to listen.

Their acts were highly questionable though. As i said in previous post, they fought against the opposition rather than Assad in Syria. Assad don't bother fighting them as well. Also you can't survive much if you piss off every single faction available. So far they pissed Shiites, Kurds, Iran, USA and Türkiye off.

I am afraid that there maybe some tools in their leadership who want to use this movement as an excuse for even more oppression and discrimination against Sunnis.

There is an ongoing war against Muslims in all over the region. There is also some nasty shit going on in Africa. Muslims have been literally erased from Central African Republic. Now fucking colonialists want to invade Nigeria and cripple the Muslim community by using this kidnapped girls event. Muslims being burned alive in Burma and list goes on...

 

[R.A.B.]

I know you guys wont agree and its an unpopular opinion, but back when Saddam was in charge, this stuff wouldnt have happened.

He kept the sunnites and shiites from doing this, by basically hanging the first to provoke down the lampposts next to the road

Thats the truth, USA made thing worse,

 

[AndreaCristiano]

ISIL is a serious bunch of whacks although some Iraqis are welcoming them. The reality is they just want to overtake the company and return it to extreme sharia

 

[Zacheryah]

They are not gonna conquer the world. After USA invasion, Sunnis becomes slaves and prisoners. They have been treated like they are unwanted guests in their own country. They have been erased from government, army, judiciary and other important positions.

There is a reason why a peasant turns into a militan who can behead someone. They are human just like you all, none can claim that he would never do such a thing after living the life they have been forced to live. Mind you, it didn't happened in one day. They have been crying for justice for past 10 years but nobody bothered to listen.

Their acts were highly questionable though. As i said in previous post, they fought against the opposition rather than Assad in Syria. Assad don't bother fighting them as well. Also you can't survive much if you piss off every single faction available. So far they pissed Shiites, Kurds, Iran, USA and Türkiye off.

I am afraid that there maybe some tools in their leadership who want to use this movement as an excuse for even more oppression and discrimination against Sunnis.

There is an ongoing war against Muslims in all over the region. There is also some nasty shit going on in Africa. Muslims have been literally erased from Central African Republic. Now fucking colonialists want to invade Nigeria and cripple the Muslim community by using this kidnapped girls event. Muslims being burned alive in Burma and list goes on...

Meanwhile, media is mostly showing fundamentalists who want to create a strict conservative islam state with sharia law, who become a false image to the millions of piecefull muslims who are just practiving their believes in their private time and dont bother anyone

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Ignoring what he did to Iran, Kuwait, and Saudi, he murdered 250,000 of his own people. He used chemical weapons on the Kurds killing 5,000. So other than those minor indiscretions, I guess you are saying that he was pretty popular, was a renaissance man, and good for his country and the region. :facepalm2: However I do think Iraq would be not be an incubator and safe haven for Islamic terrorists if he was still in power.

Oh, how much of that was provoked by the us, seriously.
Especially kuwait

 

[zizinho]

Meanwhile, media is mostly showing fundamentalists who want to create a strict conservative islam state with sharia law, who become a false image to the millions of piecefull muslims who are just practiving their believes in their private time and dont bother anyone

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Oh, how much of that was provoked by the us, seriously.
Especially kuwait

lets creat the modern (and stupid) democracy instead, the most pathetic system in the world

 

[Zacheryah]

As long as there is strict separation between state and religion, i'm okay with it.
Like that, when a society evolves, so will the system and the laws
The issue with religion ruling the state and laws, is that you are stuck in ages ago.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

As long as there is strict separation between state and religion, i'm okay with it.
Like that, when a society evolves, so will the system and the laws
The issue with religion ruling the state and laws, is that you are stuck in ages ago.

In Islam, there is no separation between people and religion, state and religion. Religion is exactly in the middle of people's life. If you try to separate, or even worse, force people to live like you tell them to do, this is what you get. Today there is no single country ruled with Sharia but the region is living it's worst days in human history. Why are the colonialists pumping secularism in middle east? It surely isn't because they love the people live there so much but to cause unending conflict between masses of people and illegitimate governments which don't reflect the values of people. So they can suck them dry without even using armies like they did in past.

 

[swag]

I know you guys wont agree and its an unpopular opinion, but back when Saddam was in charge, this stuff wouldnt have happened.

He kept the sunnites and shiites from doing this, by basically hanging the first to provoke down the lampposts next to the road

Uhhh, I would completely agree. And I would have completely agreed while he was in power.

You have a Marshal Tito, you don't have a Srebrenica. It's pretty basic.