Iraq. Is it better now?? (AKA ISIS/ISIL/IS/name-of-the-week-here) (28 Viewers)

[zizinho]

@Zacheryah there is nothing wrong with what law you establish as long as it works and the people want it. i dont know if you actually know what the Sharia is. its the highest law for all muslims and its only natural to establish it in a state with 99% muslims in it. what they didnt teach you in your classes is that what you see now in the middle east is not Sharia. it is a bunch of states ruled by dictators in which the majority of the population are muslims. that was a system established after the WW1 when the Ottoman empire colapsed. Saudi Arabia is the biggest ally of the US in the region and one of the biggest in the world. most of the dictators are bitches of the US and if some of them comes to the idea to not obey anymore he is eradicated instantly. im sure you know most of this, i just wanted to say you that there is not a single state in the world ruled by Sharia, as i think you think there is. Afghanistan tried to establish it and thats why there is a war going on there for 12 years. so you should keep your critizism for yourself until and if you witness a Sharia state yourself and then say if its outdated or not. or you could read the Sharia. not just read it with hatred and dismissing everything you read. every law is there for a reason, and if you think a bit of one, maybe you will uderstand the purpose of it...

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In Islam, there is no separation between people and religion, state and religion. Religion is exactly in the middle of people's life. If you try to separate, or even worse, force people to live like you tell them to do, this is what you get. Today there is no single country ruled with Sharia but the region is living it's worst days in human history. Why are the colonialists pumping secularism in middle east? It surely isn't because they love the people live there so much but to cause unending conflict between masses of people and illegitimate governments which don't reflect the values of people. So they can suck them dry without even using armies like they did in past.

Exactly.

 

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One man's Sharia is another man's revolution. The names change, but the issues are the same: people and politics about who is in power, however you dress it up in religious or secular garb.

 

[Zacheryah]

Here in the west, we rate a society on how it is doing with the absolute basic rights. A big factor in that are female rights, but also laws made by logic and not religion etc.
Every fully developped western country, has reached pretty much the same level.

When we look at islamic society's, we can see they arent there yet. Now many people, including the prof who gave us the course, will then state that those society's are inferior to ours, because despite the things in wich they are doing better, the absolute basic rights arent implemented yet.
A second part is that if we see blatant abuse of females or groups, that we should military intervene, if talks dont work

Now here is my very unpopular opinion about that. I really think neighter side will agree with it.

I think Islam societys are at a point where the western society's domminated by catholic church were about 200 years ago. I myself refuse to call them inferior (unless i want to piss off people by saying something i dont mean), because i personally think, that they just didnt reach our stage of development yet. And when they do, they could possibly have a better society then what we have now, because of the hospitality thats imbedded in islam culture.

Now, i also strongly believe, we shouldnt invade any country, whatever happens there. If you invade a country, they'll see you as occupants. If you go to a country, and tell them how to do things, that will not be accepted. I think we should provide aid at the borders, and offer people who flee a save haven. But we should NOT invade a country.
Let them do what we did in the west, between the middle ages and know. Leaders and dictatorships come and go, revolutions against that come and go. Let the society evolve at its own pace, dont interfere. Only when the people of the country say "we must separate church and state" or that they want certain rights we consider basic, THEN they will accept it. Not when we go there and tell them how to do things.

Everyone in class disagreed. The muslim guy refused the idea that they were 3 century's behind, and the others refused the idea we shouldnt invade to restore order and implement basic human rights.


We the west, had horrific stuff between the middle ages and now, but its how we became where we are today. Allow other country's to get there in their own way, at their own pace. and respect souverinity.

Unless its ukraine, fuck ukraine.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

@<a href="http://forum.juventuz.org/member.php?u=14464" target="_blank">Zacheryah</a> there is nothing wrong with what law you establish as long as it works and the people want it. i dont know if you actually know what the Sharia is. its the highest law for all muslims and its only natural to establish it in a state with 99% muslims in it. what they didnt teach you in your classes is that what you see now in the middle east is not Sharia. it is a bunch of states ruled by dictators in which the majority of the population are muslims. that was a system established after the WW1 when the Ottoman empire colapsed. Saudi Arabia is the biggest ally of the US in the region and one of the biggest in the world. most of the dictators are bitches of the US and if some of them comes to the idea to not obey anymore he is eradicated instantly. im sure you know most of this, i just wanted to say you that there is not a single state in the world ruled by Sharia, as i think you think there is. Afghanistan tried to establish it and thats why there is a war going on there for 12 years. so you should keep your critizism for yourself until and if you witness a Sharia state yourself and then say if its outdated or not. or you could read the Sharia. not just read it with hatred and dismissing everything you read. every law is there for a reason, and if you think a bit of one, maybe you will uderstand the purpose of it...

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Exactly.

there is no such thing as sharia, people get together and make laws that arrange them obviously within the major guidelines

 

[zizinho]

i stoped watching at the first sentence he said. "why did they make it a verse?" (from Qur'an) seriously, wtf. he implies Qur'an is not a book of God with that and i dont have to watch further. who is this guy even. and there is very well such thing as sharia. its the name of the islamic law brought to us by our Prophet (pbuh). im not sure if i really know what you trying ot say...

 

[GordoDeCentral]

im trying to say that shariaa is political rhetoric that was introduced by the first muslim kings, the umayyads, and still persists today. It is no wonder the same agenda is pushed by kings, again. But some are still in the cave and will keep thinking shadows are reality.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Here in the west, we rate a society on how it is doing with the absolute basic rights. A big factor in that are female rights, but also laws made by logic and not religion etc.
Every fully developped western country, has reached pretty much the same level.

When we look at islamic society's, we can see they arent there yet. Now many people, including the prof who gave us the course, will then state that those society's are inferior to ours, because despite the things in wich they are doing better, the absolute basic rights arent implemented yet.
A second part is that if we see blatant abuse of females or groups, that we should military intervene, if talks dont work

Now here is my very unpopular opinion about that. I really think neighter side will agree with it.

I think Islam societys are at a point where the western society's domminated by catholic church were about 200 years ago. I myself refuse to call them inferior (unless i want to piss off people by saying something i dont mean), because i personally think, that they just didnt reach our stage of development yet. And when they do, they could possibly have a better society then what we have now, because of the hospitality thats imbedded in islam culture.

Now, i also strongly believe, we shouldnt invade any country, whatever happens there. If you invade a country, they'll see you as occupants. If you go to a country, and tell them how to do things, that will not be accepted. I think we should provide aid at the borders, and offer people who flee a save haven. But we should NOT invade a country.
Let them do what we did in the west, between the middle ages and know. Leaders and dictatorships come and go, revolutions against that come and go. Let the society evolve at its own pace, dont interfere. Only when the people of the country say "we must separate church and state" or that they want certain rights we consider basic, THEN they will accept it. Not when we go there and tell them how to do things.

Everyone in class disagreed. The muslim guy refused the idea that they were 3 century's behind, and the others refused the idea we shouldnt invade to restore order and implement basic human rights.


We the west, had horrific stuff between the middle ages and now, but its how we became where we are today. Allow other country's to get there in their own way, at their own pace. and respect souverinity.

Unless its ukraine, fuck ukraine.

People in your class are like bunch of food engineers arguing about how should a doctor do the brain surgery. They didn't even get the first and most important part so they believe all of the trouble Muslims are facing coming from the religious governments. I am saying this again, you can tell this to them as well if you want; None of the countries in turmoil in middle east are being ruled by Islamic leaders, let alone people who imply Sharia.

Are there people who really think these invasions are happening because the absolute basic rights aren't implemented yet? Invasions are happening because of the same reason why it was happening since the dark age.

If this brazen-faced woman is really interested about missing girls, she should ask his husband because he most probably knows where are they. It's the most recent of the vile attempts of creating excuses for their colonialist invasion plans.

 

[Zacheryah]

Whilst i was also against invading syria, i think in the long run, its just better. Sure, it was horrendous for the civilians cought in the middle, but we should do what we do very good: Build camps for refugees at the border, supply food and medicine.
Try to support diplomatic talk, keep the talks going.

But dont invade. Ever.



Also, J-Lo was profiling her filthy ass this week with her talk of "we must stop rape during war". Seriously, did that stupid cunt even see what war is. Rape is horrible and horrendous. And we should make sure our westeren troops know goddamn well its never acceptable.

But going in the western media telling the other country's shouldnt rape. Bitch please, even if they somehow hear it, they are not going to listen to you. Fuck no.

ALL of us western country's did rape and plundering somewere in history. You evolve as a society past it (somewhat). But some foreign cunt telling you shouldnt, nobody listens to that.

Like you with Michele Obama, i'm disgusted how these women profile themselves, knowing very damn well they will achieve nothing that mattered

 

[GordoDeCentral]

those western feminist cunts make it seem like female rape is the worse thing ever, also discounting that men and boys are raped too. It's kinda like when one figuratively says man that team got raped, everybodys panties get twisted, but it's ok to say man that team got killed/murdered/destroyed.

 

[Hust]

Then all them fool like @Hustini and @ALC buy the flags n shit to boost the economy to support the war. Fiends.

Wut?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

wheres the rambis tar?

 

[Trequartista]

If this brazen-faced woman is really interested about missing girls, she should ask his husband because he most probably knows where are they. It's the most recent of the vile attempts of creating excuses for their colonialist invasion plans.

The Obamas
@Hustini

 

[Hust]

 

[ALC]

those western feminist cunts make it seem like female rape is the worse thing ever, also discounting that men and boys are raped too. It's kinda like when one figuratively says man that team got raped, everybodys panties get twisted, but it's ok to say man that team got killed/murdered/destroyed.

Man, Spain got raped the other day. So fucking hard. Their vagina pussies are probably still bleeding from that giant Thor cock Netherlands shoved up their virgin cunts. I bet they need a support group to clean up all the blood their hoo-hahs are leaking all over the field from being brutally raped.

But seriously, Oberyn had it right. He went from least offensive to most offensive. "You raped her. You killed her children. You murdered her."

 

[Ocelot]

Man, Spain got raped the other day. So fucking hard. Their vagina pussies are probably still bleeding from that giant Thor cock Netherlands shoved up their virgin cunts. I bet they need a support group to clean up all the blood their hoo-hahs are leaking all over the field from being brutally raped.

But seriously, Oberyn had it right. He went from least offensive to most offensive. "You raped her. You killed her children. You murdered her."

I'd say killing her children was worse than murdering her.

 

[ALC]

But she could've had more kids.

 

[X Æ A-12]

But she could've had more kids.

 

[king Ale]

those western feminist cunts make it seem like female rape is the worse thing ever, also discounting that men and boys are raped too. It's kinda like when one figuratively says man that team got raped, everybodys panties get twisted, but it's ok to say man that team got killed/murdered/destroyed.

Ah well that's because all rapists are male while there could be female murderers

 

[swag]

Ah well that's because all rapists are male while there could be female murderers

You just walked into that one, didn't you?

 

[king Ale]

You just walked into that one, didn't you?

Haha as much as it sounds stupid, I genuinely believe that can at least partly explain why feminists consider rape the most horrendous thing ever.