Iraq. Is it better now?? (AKA ISIS/ISIL/IS/name-of-the-week-here) (11 Viewers)

Is Iraq better now?

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king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
Back on topic, a friend shared this on facebook today:

"I have seen a lot of articles trying to make sense of what is happening in Iraq and explain the causes that led to the rising of a powerful extremist religious group there. What amazes me is that almost no one is mentioning the fact that the US and its allies have been pouring arms into the region to help Syrian rebels fight the Assad regime. It should not be a surprise that those arms, even if given to the more "moderate" secular rebels, end up in the hands of the most extreme and violent ones. And everyone seems to be avoiding the very obvious parallels to what happened in Afghanistan forty years ago. During the 80s the US aided and armed the Afghan mujahideen to fight the Soviet occupation. The result of pouring arms there was to tear up Afghanistan into a country of territories governed by warlords and it eventually led to the rise of the Taliban. Why is it a surprise that a new powerful terrorist group, ISIS, has emerged today?

The analyses in western media tend to focus on things like the failures of the Iraqi government, when they should be criticizing the flow of arms to the region and US support for the fanatical Saudi government that has a major role in fueling Sunni extremism.

Likewise what is missing in most Iranian analyses, is the fact that the Shia-led Iraqi government has played a role in facilitating the emergence of extremist Sunni groups by alienating the Sunni population with its recent policies. Iran has a lot of influence on what the Shias and the Iraqi government do, more today than ever before. But all you can find in Iranian media is blaming the west and Saudis for funding the extremist religious groups.
A strong pattern I have noticed is that both Iranian media and western media are giving narratives that exempt them from any guilt, and are focusing on issues where they have the least influence."
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,749
Afghanistan is Afghanistan. I have little belief that the US gives a crap enough about Syria as to arm Iraqis. That makes no sense. Syria offers little or nothing for the U.S. to exploit.
 

radekas

( ͠° ͟ل͜ ͡°)
Aug 26, 2009
20,112
But seriously, Oberyn had it right. He went from least offensive to most offensive. "You raped her. You killed her children. You murdered her."
Too soon bro, too soon :cry:.

Also it went like this: "you raped her. You murdered her. You killed her children".
 

AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
19,124
Back on topic, a friend shared this on facebook today:

"I have seen a lot of articles trying to make sense of what is happening in Iraq and explain the causes that led to the rising of a powerful extremist religious group there. What amazes me is that almost no one is mentioning the fact that the US and its allies have been pouring arms into the region to help Syrian rebels fight the Assad regime. It should not be a surprise that those arms, even if given to the more "moderate" secular rebels, end up in the hands of the most extreme and violent ones. And everyone seems to be avoiding the very obvious parallels to what happened in Afghanistan forty years ago. During the 80s the US aided and armed the Afghan mujahideen to fight the Soviet occupation. The result of pouring arms there was to tear up Afghanistan into a country of territories governed by warlords and it eventually led to the rise of the Taliban. Why is it a surprise that a new powerful terrorist group, ISIS, has emerged today?

The analyses in western media tend to focus on things like the failures of the Iraqi government, when they should be criticizing the flow of arms to the region and US support for the fanatical Saudi government that has a major role in fueling Sunni extremism.

Likewise what is missing in most Iranian analyses, is the fact that the Shia-led Iraqi government has played a role in facilitating the emergence of extremist Sunni groups by alienating the Sunni population with its recent policies. Iran has a lot of influence on what the Shias and the Iraqi government do, more today than ever before. But all you can find in Iranian media is blaming the west and Saudis for funding the extremist religious groups.
A strong pattern I have noticed is that both Iranian media and western media are giving narratives that exempt them from any guilt, and are focusing on issues where they have the least influence."
This is why all of a sudden Iran is mulling helping the US in the Iraq issue. Both countries with dirty hands trying to wash it in the murky waters of the ISIL

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What I can't believe is that the terrorist group is called ISIS. Archer would be furious :D
it's not it's called ISIL

http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2014/06/14/10519491/
 

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