Iraq. Is it better now?? (AKA ISIS/ISIL/IS/name-of-the-week-here) (31 Viewers)

[Hust]

Then they should stop being jerks and insulting Prophet and his followers because these things are happening not because of Islam, vice-versa, because of the people who turn their back to Islam.

So you admitting to following the Prophet or God? Sounds sorta like following Muhammad is a bit along the lines of Idolatry .

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So you're hung up on the tattoo and not the beheading I see.

May as well condemn a man for his lack of beard rather on what he's done for his community.



All the more reason for my belief: it's not the belief but the believer that is the difference between good and evil.

 

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[Bisco]

Don't worry, he said allahu akbar when he did it.

it drives me crazy how these bastards kill an innocent woman or man and have the guts to mention god's name. i remember Abel once posted a Friday speech by one of my very fav muslim personalities who was talking about this craziness needless to say after doing so the radicals labelled him a shiaa preacher!!! you see you are either shiaa, homosexual, or infidel according to these radical groups bunch of class A clowns.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

So you're hung up on the tattoo and not the beheading I see.

I don't even feel like answering that. Tell me what beheading has to do with Islam then we'll talk. It is an execution method practiced by the STATE not the common people and certainly not without trial.

 

[Bisco]

So you admitting to following the Prophet or God? Sounds sorta like following Muhammad is a bit along the lines of Idolatry .

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nope hust it might appear this way but we believe in god and the teaching both in quran and the teachings of the holy prophet. how you interrupt these teachings is another question. you see these so called radical's interrupt the teachings of quran and the holy prophet the way that best serves there needs!!!

please note: and this point is of the utmost importance, these radicals first of all have no knowledge base to make them able to interrupt or explain the verses of quran you need to go to uni for that by the way. its like letting some one off the street who read a medical book preform an operation on you off course the results will be fucked up in the same way if you have zero knowledge of the meaning of the words , there context, there time and place you will not be able to properly explain the true meaning of the verse.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

So you admitting to following the Prophet or God? Sounds sorta like following Muhammad is a bit along the lines of Idolatry .

Ok, you're playing idiot or something like that, i don't feel like going down that level.

 

[Hust]

they were showing an interview with a former head of the egyptain jihad group who has served a long sentence in jail, any way the guy says that isis recruit people with close to zero knowledge on religion!! and this is actually there bread and butter when it comes to recruiting all these non arab citizens into joining there craziness in the name of religion. note this guy actually was best friends with second in command iman al zawahri whom isis labelled as in infidel for supporting the muslim brotherhood in egypt who according to isis top dogs broke there code with dealing with the US! last week i had to write a paper about isis and i had to do a lot of research that involved watching many interviews and documentaries with and about these terrorist groups who are not only in iraq but are starting to get a foot hold in libya with how things are shaping up over there. i will post all the information i came to find out as soon as i get a chance to sit and type for long.

Imagine, in he US: Baptists turn against Protestants for their lack of singing for worship, but the Catholics call too much singing false worship instead of focused prayer and in this heating war of religion non-denominationals are crucified for denying lables thus are false Christians.



Oh, Evangelicals as "born again" attack Catholics for praying to the Virgin Mary instead of laying their burdens at the cross.

:dielaugh:

 

[swag]

I don't even feel like answering that. Tell me what beheading has to do with Islam then we'll talk. It is an execution method practiced by the STATE not the common people and certainly not without trial.

Call it beheading, call it murder. Doesn't make a difference really.

The issue is that you zeroed in on the superficial trappings of Islam and glossed over its core ethics.

 

[Hust]

nope hust it might appear this way but we believe in god and the teaching both in quran and the teachings of the holy prophet. how you interrupt these teachings is another question. you see these so called radical's interrupt the teachings of quran and the holy prophet the way that best serves there needs!!!

please note: and this point is of the utmost importance, these radicals first of all have no knowledge base to make them able to interrupt or explain the verses of quran you need to go to uni for that by the way. its like letting some one off the street who read a medical book preform an operation on you off course the results will be fucked up in the same way if you have zero knowledge of the meaning of the words , there context, there time and place you will not be able to properly explain the true meaning of the verse.

I agree with you.

Christians believe in God, follow Christ BUT worship God. I think "worshipping & following the prophet" instead of what God is actually teaching is where issues arise. All the Prophet had to do was write down what God was telling him. All we need to know, is in the book, correct?

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Call it beheading, call it murder. Doesn't make a difference really.

The issue is that you zeroed in on the superficial trappings of Islam and glossed over its core ethics.

Me? Hmm. When exactly?

 

[Bisco]

I agree with you.

Christians believe in God, follow Christ BUT worship God. I think "worshipping & following the prophet" instead of what God is actually teaching is where issues arise. All the Prophet had to do was write down what God was telling him. All we need to know, is in the book, correct?

i am not the best to answer this for you Hust but i am sure rebel would give you a much better answer to this than i could but i can say that the teachings of the prophet serve as showing how the prophet practiced the teachings found in Qur'an. once again i apologize i don't know how to answer this in the best way or form so wait until Rebel or fred see's this and i am sure they will give you a much clearer answer than me.

this guy who Abel brought to my attention best answers the relation between the radicals and islam.

 

[Hust]

i am not the best to answer this for you Hust but i am sure rebel would give you a much better answer to this than i could but i can say that the teachings of the prophet serve as showing how the prophet practiced the teachings found in Qur'an. once again i apologize i don't know how to answer this in the best way or form so wait until Rebel or fred see's this and i am sure they will give you a much clearer answer than me.

No worries, what your saying makes sense and its also how my wife explained it. I'm more or less trying to understand how groups like ISIS interpret the teachings.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

I agree with you.

Christians believe in God, follow Christ BUT worship God. I think "worshipping & following the prophet" instead of what God is actually teaching is where issues arise. All the Prophet had to do was write down what God was telling him. All we need to know, is in the book, correct?

Not correct. Everything you write about Islam is so wrong, it is indescribable. Go read some basic stuff before throwing mud at Muslims.

 

[Hust]

Not correct. You're so wrong it is indescribable. Go read some basic stuff before throwing mud at Muslims.

What am I incorrect about?

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And no mud slinging over here.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

What am I incorrect about?

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And no mud slinging over here.

It's been repeated in Quran and hadith several times, Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) is a human being like every other Prophet of Allah and there is no god but Allah to worship. Now you're saying that Christians are worshipping God instead of Jesus(which is not true at all, most of them call him Son of God or even God) and problem about Muslims is worshipping Prophet instead of Allah. This is what you're terribly incorrect.

 

[JuveJay]

It's been repeated in Quran and hadith several times, Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) is a human being like every other Prophet of Allah and there is no god but Allah to worship. Now you're saying that Christians are worshipping God instead of Jesus(which is not true at all, most of them call him Son of God or even God) and problem about Muslims is worshipping Prophet instead of Allah. This is what you're terribly incorrect.

In Christianity all three parts of the Holy trinity are God (father, son & ghost/spirit).

 

[Hust]

It's been repeated in Quran and hadith several times, Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) is a human being like every other Prophet of Allah and there is no god but Allah to worship. Now you're saying that Christians are worshipping God instead of Jesus(which is not true at all, most of them call him Son of God or even God) and problem about Muslims is worshipping Prophet instead of Allah. This is what you're terribly incorrect.

See, now it isn't hard to provide an explanation, now is it? There is some I agree with in what you said, yes.

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In Christianity all three parts of the Holy trinity are God (father, son & ghost/spirit).

And this is where I am in conflict with my faith. But again, its how you interpret it.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

it drives me crazy how these bastards kill an innocent woman or man and have the guts to mention god's name. i remember Abel once posted a Friday speech by one of my very fav muslim personalities who was talking about this craziness needless to say after doing so the radicals labelled him a shiaa preacher!!! you see you are either shiaa, homosexual, or infidel according to these radical groups bunch of class A clowns.

i showed a video of his, regarding evolution, to @Zacheryah and he loved it

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

In Christianity all three parts of the Holy trinity are God (father, son & ghost/spirit).

I know but i have heard from Christians many times that some of them call him(Jesus) God.

''I and the Father are one” (John 10:30)

In Islamic belief, this is a slander and he who said Prophet Jesus is God(or his son) will be denied by Jesus himself in Judgment Day.

 

[JuveJay]

I know but i have heard from Christians many times that some of them call him(Jesus) God.

''I and the Father are one” (John 10:30)

In Islamic belief, this is a slander and he who said Prophet Jesus is God(or his son) will be denied by Jesus himself in Judgment Day.

I think that's right, although I should probably read back on the context of this discussion.

 

[Hust]

I think that's right, although I should probably read back on the context of this discussion.

That's the interpretation of most Christians: as the son of God means His flesh, ergo its Him.