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[Martin]

Actually the point made about those players was that they weren't actually from France (Thuram, Vieira, Makelele, Desailly). Why would people say it because they were black? Obviously France has loads of former colonies in Africa and the Caribbean, this isn't 1824 anymore though.

Because the only players who were ever mentioned as "not from France" were the black ones?

 

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[JuveJay]

Well clearly as I said, the former colonies are in Africa and the Carribbean...
There are also a lot of black people born in France who have played for France, it makes sense for France to have a lot of black players just as it does England, which makes me wonder why anybody would mention such an idea.

Italy has an increasing number of immigrants, so it shouldn't be a surprise to see more pop up into the national team. After all, Italian football attributes mixed with the natural athleticism of Africans is a good mix.

 

[Enron]

Even though Zidane wasn't from France either.

 

[Bjerknes]

Andy, I'm still waiting to hear your thoughts on these three guys starting for the Azzurrini today:

In addition to them, one guy from Argentina also started the match for the Italian u-21.


Actually, I'm not so much interested in hearing your thoughts as I am in hearing the thoughts of those Azzurri fanboys who were laughing at France and blaming them how the players they field aren't French (just because they are Black).

Well, the Azzurri are a bunch of thieves, that is a proven fact. Apart from players they have also stolen the anal virginity of millions of fanboys around the globe.

 

[JuveJay]

I think that is a myth, isn't he from Marseille?

 

[Bjerknes]

Italy has an increasing number of immigrants, so it shouldn't be a surprise to see more pop up into the national team. After all, Italian football attributes mixed with the natural athleticism of Africans is a good mix.

 

[Alen]

Even though Zidane wasn't from France either.

JuveJay is right with what he says, but the problem is what he can't understand was actually happening here. I know that Turk and many others put Henry, Gallas, Wiltord and the others in the same boat with Vieira and Thuram. Just because they were black it automatically meant that they aren't French.
Colonialism wasn't taken into consideration at all.

But the Oriundi were Italian because they had Italian blood from their grandmother.

 

[Martin]

Well clearly as I said, the former colonies are in Africa and the Carribbean...
There are also a lot of black people born in France who have played for France, it makes sense for France to have a lot of black players just as it does England, which makes me wonder why anybody would mention such an idea.

Italy has an increasing number of immigrants, so it shouldn't be a surprise to see more pop up into the national team. After all, Italian football attributes mixed with the natural athleticism of Africans is a good mix.

The point is that the black players weren't the only ones who had mixed ethnicity (hah, nice politically correct term eh!). Noone ever brought up Pires, Deschamps, Lizarazu, Djorkaeff. It was always Vieira, Thuram, Henry etc.

So the racial motivation is self evident, these people did not protest because they were well informed about the team, they simply saw black players and started yelling.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

this is turning into a vampire forum

 

[JuveJay]

Andy I thought you would like that, with Balotelli being your idol.

Alen, so what do you say about the passport vs blood argument? Does a player who is a French citizen, born in Senegal for example, have as much right to play for France as a second or third generation Italian born in Argentina or Australia for example, has to play for Italy, or more? Perhaps we have been over this too many times before.

I don't share the view of 'Azzurri fanboys' about those French players btw, most would have been in the systems of French teams very young, perhaps even moved as children, they at least belong to French football and their national team even if ethnically they are African.

 

[Bjerknes]

But the Oriundi were Italian because they had Italian blood from their grandmother.

The point is that the black players weren't the only ones who had mixed ethnicity (hah, nice politically correct term eh!). Noone ever brought up Pires, Deschamps, Lizarazu, Djorkaeff. It was always Vieira, Thuram, Henry etc.

So the racial motivation is self evident, these people did not protest because they were well informed about the team, they simply saw black players and started yelling.

Well, many Azzurri fans are racist after all...

 

[mondo1]

whats the point in this decussion?
should the black ones not play for italy?
why??? if they live in italy and have an italian passport than i see no reason why they shouldn't play for italy... maybe they know more about italy than about the country where their parents come from....also most of the national teams have "foreigns" in their squad... england france germany....

 

[GordoDeCentral]

what a bunch of freedom haters!

 

[JuveJay]

The point is that the black players weren't the only ones who had mixed ethnicity (hah, nice politically correct term eh!). Noone ever brought up Pires, Deschamps, Lizarazu, Djorkaeff. It was always Vieira, Thuram, Henry etc.

So the racial motivation is self evident, these people did not protest because they were well informed about the team, they simply saw black players and started yelling.

I know those guys have mixed backgrounds, but am I right in assuming that you think they only saw racism as a black and white thing? What about Arabs like Djorkaeff and Zidane? I see your and Alen's point though, but then I wouldn't expect more from those people who sound like small minded idiots, we shouldn't go down to their level

So Schelotto the oriundo vs the Afro-Italians, is it a big deal?

 

[Martin]

It's always curious to me how people talk about passports as a way to establish nationality. Don't you people realize that having a passport is what enables you to... leave the country?

If anything, those without passports should be appreciated, cause they can't go anywhere.

 

[Bjerknes]

whats the point in this decussion?
should the black ones not play for italy?
why??? if they live in italy and have an italian passport than i see no reason why they shouldn't play for italy... maybe they know more about italy than about the country where their parents come from....also most of the national teams have "foreigns" in their squad... england france germany....

Amauri will receive his passport and speaks Italian, yet half of the fanboys and Italians say no to him because he has no "Italian blood".

That's the problem, the hypocrisy of Azzurri fans.

 

[JuveJay]

whats the point in this decussion?
should the black ones not play for italy?
why??? if they live in italy and have an italian passport than i see no reason why they shouldn't play for italy... maybe they know more about italy than about the country where their parents come from....also most of the national teams have "foreigns" in their squad... england france germany....

There probably isn't one

Multiculturalism. We might not even have national teams one day, we should make the most of it

 

[GordoDeCentral]

It's always curious to me how people talk about passports as a way to establish nationality. Don't you people realize that having a passport is what enables you to... leave the country?

so what is the nationality of a baby who was dropped off at the steps of an orphanage? be nice

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Amauri will receive his passport and speaks Italian, yet half of the fanboys and Italians say no to him because he has no "Italian blood".

That's the problem, the hypocrisy of Azzurri fans.

hehe not again, though i agree with you, but we both know this is going nowhere

 

[Martin]

I know those guys have mixed backgrounds, but am I right in assuming that you think they only saw racism as a black and white thing? What about Arabs like Djorkaeff and Zidane?

Noone noticed (among the kind of people we're talking about here) that Djorkaeff "wasn't French". Zidane obviously was though, given the name and his bio being pimped big time. But otherwise I'm sure he could pass for "looking French enough" in the eyes of white Europeans with no concept of ethnic multiplicity.