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[mondo1]

Amauri will receive his passport and speaks Italian, yet half of the fanboys and Italians say no to him because he has no "Italian blood".

That's the problem, the hypocrisy of Azzurri fans.

ya but there are always stupid people... italians germans american etc....
also many juve supporters are stupid
the only thing i am concerned about amauri is that he wants to play for italy cause brazil will never call him up and thats a different story.
players like balotelli they want to play for italy even though he could play for (where is he actually from?)

 

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[JuveJay]

It's always curious to me how people talk about passports as a way to establish nationality. Don't you people realize that having a passport is what enables you to... leave the country?

If anything, those without passports should be appreciated, cause they can't go anywhere.

OK well ignore the idea of being able to gain a passport through residence, marriage or whatever, do you see Africans from Senegal as being more French than those from Mozambique for example, because of the historical ties?

 

[Martin]

so what is the nationality of a baby who was dropped off at the steps of an orphanage? be nice

Your personal identity crisis is off topic here okay

 

[mondo1]

There probably isn't one

Multiculturalism. We might not even have national teams one day, we should make the most of it

 

[Martin]

OK well ignore the idea of being able to gain a passport through residence, marriage or whatever, do you see Africans from Senegal as being more French than those from Mozambique for example, because of the historical ties?

How would I know anything about that? I don't know what it's like to live in Senegal or Mozambique, not even France!

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Your personal identity crisis is off topic here okay

theres no identity crisis here, but somehow that is exactly my point it's archaic to shelf people based on elements we know little of and have little bearing on personality.

 

[mondo1]

btw just saw suarez's goal for uruquay... wow

 

[JuveJay]

Amauri will receive his passport and speaks Italian, yet half of the fanboys and Italians say no to him because he has no "Italian blood".

That's the problem, the hypocrisy of Azzurri fans.

It's not really hypocrisy because there are three seperate issues of qualification. I'm sure I've said to you before that I'm not a fan of players being able to 'earn' a call up to another national team because they can't get in their own, or even be paid to do it! If a guy like some of the Dutch-Moroccans or English-Nigerians want to choose from those teams then that is another issue again, but Amauri basically wants to play international football for Italy because he can't for Brazil.

 

[Martin]

theres no identity crisis here, but somehow that is exactly my point it's archaic to shelf people based on elements we know little of and have little bearing on personality.

Indeed. Even if you did know all the factors of influence in a person's life, you still wouldn't know to what degree each of them had formed his sense of national belonging.

 

[JuveJay]

Sorry for going off topic btw...

 

[Red]

btw just saw suarez's goal for uruquay... wow

It's quite the collection of strikers Uruguay has at the moment.

Suarez, Forlan and Cavani all scored for them tonight.

 

[JuveJay]

How would I know anything about that? I don't know what it's like to live in Senegal or Mozambique, not even France!

Just at face value. What about Eusebio coming from Mozambique and playing for Portugal? It goes that far back.

 

[Bjerknes]

hehe not again, though i agree with you, but we both know this is going nowhere

Unfortunately, it goes nowhere because they live in their own delusional world of what it actually means to be "Italian" and won't admit they are wrong.

It's funny how the Italian grandparent argument only works for those fans who support the Azzurri, but when Camo comes along, they reject him at first. Case in point Vinman.

Thank goodness I don't have to live in that world of delusion and clutching at straws.

 

[mondo1]

It's quite the collection of strikers Uruguay has at the moment.

Suarez, Forlan and Cavani all scored for them tonight.

yep and they are all inform... didn't know that they are all from uruguay... italy should make them all italians

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Just at face value. What about Eusebio coming from Mozambique and playing for Portugal? It goes that far back.

so he was more portuguese than you could eve be italian

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Unfortunately, it goes nowhere because they live in their own delusional world of what it actually means to be "Italian" and won't admit they are wrong.

It's funny how the Italian grandparent argument only works for those fans who support the Azzurri, but when Camo comes along, they reject him at first. Case in point Vinman.

Thank goodness I don't have to live in that world of delusion and clutching at straws.

but a guy like camo has done more for italy than all these people combined could ever do

 

[JuveJay]

so he was more portuguese than you could eve be italian

Just the answer I was looking for

 

[Martin]

Just at face value. What about Eusebio coming from Mozambique and playing for Portugal? It goes that far back.

In the case of the French players, which I used to know a bit given all the discussions, all these guys had been living in France from a pretty young age (12 years old or something at most). It was never a question of express conversions. As for most were already born in France (Zizou, Henry), so that should never even have been called into question.

 

[Red]

Just at face value. What about Eusebio coming from Mozambique and playing for Portugal? It goes that far back.

What about Alfredo di Stefano?

He played for Argentina, Columbia and Spain.

 

[JuveJay]

What a whore