Egypt: from 2011 demonstrations to today (26 Viewers)

[Bisco]

@king Ale

says it all, and i share your same concerns and fears Hoori, bec indeed the tone of hostility has increased however i'd like to correct you in a tiny bit of information. when the arab spring specially in egypt where the usual is sunni-coptic, conflicts where ZERO! however once the ultra-conservatives jumped to the top of the political scene once the youth who started this where sidelined and the hostility as consequence is soaring. you also need to put the syrian issue into perspective as things are playing out now, the side's that are actually supporting the syrian free army whether politically or financially are also pushing towards this.

NOTE: the official estimates of the number of egyptain shiaa are 15,000 egyptain citizens. ( an important figure for any one with a brain to consider when you hear these religious hardliners claiming there is a conspiracy to turn egypt and egyptains into shiaa. my reaction to this claim when ever i hear them say this lame excuse is simply bec its this pathetic and really reflects the little faith they have in there religion and themselves to begin with )

is'nt it strange that for these salafists or ultra conservatives the enemy is shites and iran ( a country that historically had ties with egypt until sadat pulled a stunt by hosting the shaa in return for more love by the US administration at the time. consider the fact the shaa was on the isreali side during the 73 war) and not the historical enemy of the entire region, isreal, which is occupying arab land ( not that i want war, or any of that but arent they the first ones who keep saying we want to liberate Jerusalem and all that non sense when we all know its been sealed and delivered)? it should ring bells, and dont you think its quite fishy that these so called ISLAMISTS who preach hate towards the united states jumped on the rumor the US was supplying weapons ( prior to the G8 summit) and called for Jihad?? cough cough afghanistan v2.0 cough cough

do you know that we had iranian tourists for the first time since the islamic revolution in Iran kicked off? needless to say the salafists where the maestro's of showing aggression towards both the tourists and Morsy's minister of tourism ( its actually the main reason there is a massive rift between the ultra conservative salafists ( a version of wahibism, and i have several reservations on both) and the muslim brotherhood) we all know who funds these Salafists and why, its simply bec egypt is being dragged into this syrian conflict even though its against our national security but these people are moved by bigotry instead of seeing whats best for egypts concerns. you have to remember sth that has to be taken in consideration, morsy's so called " summit for saving syria" was actually a cheap and weak attempt to show power towards egyptains and it back fired in his face bec his popularity plummeted even more in the Egyptian street after he cut ties with syria ( if these people read history or even know egypts history, all our security threats came from syria's direction. syria is not called egypts eastern front for no reason). not to mention it was an attempt to kiss up to saudi arabia ( who has a very edgy relationship with this current regime due to the fact the MB have mis-used there invitation in the kingdom. it was also an attempt to make qatar happy hence we get more and more loans that are destroying our image and position). the simple fact this current regime in cairo needs to understand is whether they like or dislike tehran the simple fact of the matter is you cant change a difference in political stances to a sunni-shiaa conflict its very dangerous and lebanon and iraq stands witness. if morsy does read the scene or even open the map of the middle east its in egypts interest not to mention the Gulf's interest egypt has ties with iran which is the power on the other side of egypt, instead our role is being diminished intentionally!!

put all the above a side you know what kills me massively and i'm being dead serious now? i am shocked at how easy these people preach killing just bec of minor differences!! and what makes me hate these fake bearded so called scholars is how they herd youth playing on there emotional vibe yet there OWN KIDS or they themselves would'nt set foot in syria. Also there was a lovely BURN when morsy tried to get the egyptain military involved in this syrian conflict but was put back into place bec the military said this is not our responsibility and you have no right to speak on our behalf

these so called "scholars, or islamists" need to know that they r responsible for every word they say bec they should be held accountable to the loss of life caused from there delusional, paranoid, and ignorance! here is why such BS happens, when the head of morons does not show any reaction you know sth is wrong. p.s please take no offense, this dirty clan does not speak on behalf of the people like they claim, infact the people are infuriated by this non sense ad thats why egyptains are going back to the street on the 30th of june to rid us of this cancer.

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sad fact: being an islamic scholar specially one with the salafist label is a job for the jobless!! yet another reason i despise them!! for them islam is growing a beard, and shortening there clothes. islam is much bigger, and much much deeper than outer appearance.

 

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[Bisco]

and the big day has kicked off two days before planned!! the big day is the 30th of june, guess what millions in 27 governate's while the declining popularity of the muslim brotherhood is on display there is no comparison what so ever.

i'm very very positive regarding tomorrow!!!! i

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its 30 mins into the 30th and if you have tv coverage check out tahrir square and the presidential palace!! the people are flocking the streets ALREADY!!!!!!!!!! the demo's where planned for 4 pm tomorrow but boooooooooooom people are liberating the country it feels great at last!!!!!!!

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more updates to follow!!!

 

[Bisco]

Egypt's Mohamed Morsi remains defiant as fears of civil war grow

In exclusive interview with the Guardian, Morsi defiantly rejects call for elections, setting stage for trial of strength on the streets


David Hearst and Patrick Kingsley in Cairo
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 30 June 2013 09.31 BST



The Egyptian president, Mohamed Morsi, has vowed there will be no second revolution in Egypt, as thousands planned to gather outside his presidential palace calling for his removal after a year in power.

In an exclusive interview with the Guardian, Morsi rejected opposition calls for early presidential elections and said he would not tolerate any deviation from constitutional order. He said his early resignation would undermine the legitimacy of his successors, creating a recipe for unending chaos.

"If we changed someone in office who [was elected] according to constitutional legitimacy – well, there will be people opposing the new president too, and a week or a month later they will ask him to step down," Morsi said.

"There is no room for any talk against this constitutional legitimacy. There can be demonstrations and people expressing their opinions. But what's critical in all this is the adoption and application of the constitution. This is the critical point."

At least seven people have been killed and over 600 injured in clashes between Morsi's Islamist allies and their secular opposition over the past few days.

With tensions set to rise on Sunday, Morsi's defiant stance sets the stage for a trial of strength that will be played out on the streets of Cairo in front of his official residence. Once gathered, the opposition have vowed not to leave it until he resigns.

The man at the centre of a national storm seems uncannily certain of himself and his staying power. Asked whether he was confident that the army would never have to step in to control a country that had become ungovernable, Morsi replied: "Very."

But Morsi's assured demeanour contrasted with the tense atmosphere that surrounded him on Saturday afternoon. Morsi held back-to-back meetings with top-level state officials, including the prime minister, Hisham Qandil, the interior minister, Mohamed Ibrahim, and several senior officers, including the head of the armed forces, General Abdel Fattah Sisi – whose ambiguous comments in recent days have led to widespread hopes in opposition ranks of military intervention.

Morsi had decamped from Itahadiya palace, the traditional seat of the president, which is now surrounded by makeshift concrete walls in anticipation of Sunday's protests. In its place, he held court on Saturday at the Quba Palace, the birthplace of Farouq – the last king of Egypt.

Morsi claimed Egyptian private media channels had exaggerated the strength of his opponents, and blamed this week's violence on officials loyal to the former president Hosni Mubarak.

He said the media had taken "small situations of violence and then magnified them as if the whole country is living in violence". He dismissed the organic nature of the opposition to his rule, and maintained that the fighting had been co-ordinated by "the deep state and the remnants of the old regime" who had paid off hired thugs to attack his supporters in the Muslim Brotherhood.

"They have money, and they got this money from corruption. They used this corrupt money to pull back the regime, and pull back the old regime into power. They pay this corrupt money to thugs, and then violence takes place."

The president refused to name which countries were meddling in Egypt's affairs, but maintained that it was happening. Asked whether he was referring to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, Morsi replied: "No, I am talking in general terms. Any revolution has its enemies and there are some people who are trying to obstruct the path of the Egyptian people towards democracy. I am not saying it's acceptable, but we observe it everywhere."

Morsi admitted for the first time in the English-language media that he regretted making a constitutional declaration that gave him wide powers – a move that the opposition saw as dictatorial, and which he soon rescinded. This was the pivotal moment of his first year, sowing the seeds for widespread dissent against his administration.

"It contributed to some kind of misconception in society," Morsi said, distancing himself from one of the most divisive clauses in the new Islamist-slanted constitution, which allows for greater religious input into Egyptian legislation. "It's not me who changed this article. I didn't interfere in this constitutional committee's work. Absolutely not."

He said that once MPs were finally elected to Egypt's currently empty lower house of parliament, he would personally submit constitutional amendments for debate in the house's first session.

But Morsi's contrition only went so far. Amid opposition claims that the failure to achieve consensus had led to Egypt's current polarisation, Morsi blamed the refusal of secular politicians to participate in the political process for the impasse.

He denied that his government was unduly loaded with Islamists. He went on to list numerous offers he claimed he had made to bring non-Islamists on board, while defending the right of a popularly elected president to promote his allies. "This is the concept of real democracy," he said.

Morsi denied that he had ever offered the leading secular politician Mohamed ElBaradei a job, but named Mounir Fakhry and Gouda Abdel Khalif as two opposition ministers who left his cabinet against his wishes. "That's the situation," Morsi claimed. "We offer people [jobs] and they refuse."

Even now, Morsi said, the offer for dialogue with opposition members remained open – though the opposition say such meetings are a waste of time because Morsi only pays lip-service to their point of view.

Morsi has been criticised for betraying a key goal of the 2011 uprising that toppled Mubarak: security sector reform. Since rising to power, Morsi has avoided criticising the police, even in the face of allegations of extreme malpractice. In January after more than 40 people died in gun battles with security officials in Port Said, Morsi praised the police and gave them more powers.

Asked why he had repeatedly refused to criticise specific instances of police malpractice, the president claimed that his praise was meant in a more general sense. "When I say I am supporting the police or the army, I am talking about the army in general and the police in general. In general, those institutions are good institutions. Accordingly if there are certain violations, or crimes, or abuses by certain individuals – well, the law takes its course."

But Morsi has even been accused of kicking into the long grass allegations of security force brutality under previous regimes. After his election he commissioned a fact-finding report on police and military wrongdoing during and after the 2011 uprising. But he has never published its findings, and when its damning contents were leaked to the Guardian in April, Morsi chose to praise the army and police, and promoted three generals.

"I'm supporting the institution," he again claimed this weekend. "I'm not supporting the individuals. And of course, the number of people who committed the violations are very small in comparison to the institutions."

Morsi appeared to be treading a fine line between blaming stubborn state institutions for the failures of his administration in one moment, while embracing them in the next – perhaps to avoid making the situation worse.

Throughout the one-hour interview, Morsi hinted that the intransigence of Mubarak-era state officials was holding up reform of state institutions such as the interior ministry, who control the police. He noted the stubbornness of "a deep state and its impact on running the country, and the desire of some people who come from the previous regime to [create] corruption", calling the extent of state corruption one of the most unpleasant discoveries of his first year.

While peppering his remarks with frustration at Egypt's "deep state", Morsi stressed his faith in the military high command – and in particular in Sisi. He admitted that he had no prior warning of Sisi's comments last Sunday, in which the general appeared to give civilian politicians a week to resolve their differences.

"We constantly talk together over time," Morsi said, but "we can't restrict every single word announced by officials in this country". Glancing at his spokesmen for the first time in the interview, Morsi also claimed that the army had been burned by their previous involvement in power, and said: "They're busy now with the affairs of the army itself".

Morsi emphasised his democratic legitimacy. But while acknowledging that he was elected freely and fairly, many of his opponents argue that he does not uphold the wider democratic values on which a successful democracy relies.

Among many other complaints, critics condemn his appointment of Talaat Abdallah as attorney general, claiming that Abdallah pursues political cases against activists and media personalities critical of the president – such as Alaa Abdel Fattah, who rose to prominence during the 2011 uprising, and Bassem Youssef, Egypt's leading satirist.

But Morsi refused to accept this argument, arguing that Abdallah operated independently. "The cases you're talking about, they were filed by citizens or by lawyers, and the prosecution dealt with [them]. And the prosecution and the judicial system are fully independent," he argued. "If someone wants to say that I interfered in the work of the public prosecutor, he has to provide evidence of that, and an example of that."

As his opponents bank on this year being his last, Morsi confidently predicted that he would serve a full term. "It has been a difficult, very difficult year. And I think the coming years will also be difficult. But I hope that I will all the time be doing my best to fulfil the needs of the Egyptian people and society."

The problem remains that Egypt is bitterly divided on whether he should be allowed to do so.


Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/30/egypt-mohamed-morsi-defiant-civil-war

spoken by a person who made fun of a mubarak yet is moving in his foot steps i,e he is delusional!!!! and fails to see things as they r instead is going for the traditional conspiracy theory

the bolded part made me pee my self from laughter!! historically mega president Nasser was there worst enemy!! he has been portrayed by these insects as being worse than satan him self however here they are accusing Saudi arabia and Uae being big players against them. here is sth since this moron does'nt know the dirty and filthy history of his beloved muslim brotherhood. it was the muslim brotherhood who were used by king faisal at a time nasser cast a massive shadow over monarchies in the gulf mainly the rivalry with Saudi arabia due to involvement of nasser in Yemen when he opposed the ruler backed by saudi arabia. it was an era and its done and dusted, however the fact remains the MB were the ones who conspired against Nasser and egypt. believe it or not Nasser was right when he toke them to trails bec he did know that they were dirty sewer rats!!!

this pest will be thrown in the gutter of history bec he just messed up with the wrong crowed. there are 27 cities in full demo's!!! against one tiny shitty square that hosts there demo's and its laughable for the love of god stop lying to people, and admit you failed miserably!!! all these people in tahrir and the rest of the cities in egypt cant be people calling for mubarak returning back as morsy's faget assistant of foriegn affairs tweets in english!!! to get some sympathy from the Us and the Eu but they already know the truth they have reporters here in cairo, and last nights obama's speech that spoke about egypt's current situation and you cant help it but realize obama's administration has washed its hand from morsy and the muslim brotherhood, who only cared about what the US admin thinks of them not what the egyptain people think of them.

Note: people are being threatened, there are fire arms caught whilst being moved in order to scare the people but the effect is quite the opposite complete egyptain families are down in the streets with women and kids!!! people are fed up and people are firmly believing we r no better than the young soldiers who are getting killed in sinai on the hands of the pricks morsy him self released from prisons ( even though they have life sentences!!!!). his end and the end of his gang is near, and mind you not only egypt is being liberated from the evil that is Mb but the world is being liberated from cairo. the MB was started here and there end will also start here. there global philosophy that used Islam as a cover for there evil is soon going to be removed from here.

 

[IrishZebra]

Good, the final failure of Islamist politics is almost upon us. The Muslim Reformation will be glorious

 

[Bisco]

have you heard the people yet?????? hope you guys have live pictures of this bec its historical!!! its even more than the 25th of jan 2011 this is easily triple the effect. here are some pictures:

 

[Bisco]

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the amount of delusion in the mb is ridiculous they cant believe this and they also deny this

 

[Enron]

Jesus, Bisco that looks immense. Keep your head down brother.

 

[Bisco]

i hate them soooooooooooooo much you cant imagine how much i hate Muslim brotherhood i cant event describe in words how much i hate these brain washed, deluded and idiotic people who belong in the stone age bec they need rehabilitation to be considered human beings to start with.

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Jesus, Bisco that looks immense. Keep your head down brother.

oh they have those in washington dc and new york too not the same size but they r a good bunch

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oh la la la party time!!!!!!!!!!! the police just caught beardies with guns oooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhh poor sons of whores thought they would scare people away from giving it to them DOGGY style!!! just the way they love it in prisons!!!

 

[Bisco]

more pictures the yanks here will be in for a lovely surprise tomorrow when they open the washington post with pictures all of which are from the anti- bitch rallies so this gives you an indication of how the pendullum has swung against the retard that is called morsy. ironically the entire world has seen the anti morsy protests and there epic size yet the muslim brotherhood are in denial. oh and denial is not the only river in egypt.

these are not fake, nor are they photoshoped. these are pictures showing egyptains from all walks of life united together once again thanks to the idiot called morsy who has done epically well to re0unite us.

there are pictures, from alexandria, tahrir ( believe it or not and here is a hint for the followers, there was an army helicopter than flew over tahrir and dropped loads and loads of festive flares above the protesters in tahrir which off course where met with applause, and here is an indication morsy and the muslim brotherhood have there arms tied, they lost everything due to there stupidity) make no mistake the current commander of the armed force is not similar to tantawi ( mubaraks field marshall) he knows the country will not accept military rule, however his publicity is enormous and every one loves him including the military it self, not to mention he has insisted a million times we the people are a massive red line and they know who the bitches and violence lovers are. and before some one jumps and says ahmed egyptains are being naive i assure you this wont go down like the previous one, the lessons learned are there for every one to see.

 

[Bisco]

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i cant even start talking about the amount of weapons, ranging from rpj, shot guns, machine guns, pistols, bombs, home made bombs, etc that were seized before getting in the wrong hands and we know whose hands these are.

also the muslim brotherhood has used live ammunition against people in many cities, and even in cairo speaks volume who is going hysterical and being delusional.

 

[Bisco]

bye bye Morsy, bye bye Muslim brotherhood........ good riddance forever you sons of bitches!!!!! Egyptian armed forces give morsy 48 hours to comply with the people. this is very different than the last time bec the people have learned the lesson. and boy have we learned it the hard way but i'm soooooo happy the truth of the muslim brotherhood has been revealed.

 

[TrezJuve]

Is everything alright, Bisco? I hope it's going to happen for Egypt.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Bisco with all due respect, if you truly learned the lesson then you would know that as crazy and contemptible as the mb is, they do represent a big portion of egyptian society. For any political plan to be successful it has be inclusive of the major forces otherwise just like your side seized the opportunity to bring these guys down, the mb will attempt the very same same thing with potential new regime at first signs of trouble, my 2 cents.

 

[icemaη]

The military meddling with civilian affairs is never a good thing Bisco... 'The lesser of the two evils' is not necessarily always better.

 

[IrishZebra]

It is by definition, better. That's what the means.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

The military meddling with civilian affairs is never a good thing Bisco... 'The lesser of the two evils' is not necessarily always better.

military will ALWAYS intervene when country is on brink of chaos

 

[Bisco]

Bisco with all due respect, if you truly learned the lesson then you would know that as crazy and contemptible as the mb is, they do represent a big portion of egyptian society. For any political plan to be successful it has be inclusive of the major forces otherwise just like your side seized the opportunity to bring these guys down, the mb will attempt the very same same thing with potential new regime at first signs of trouble, my 2 cents.

abel the Mb are as not as big as you think, lets say they are a million strong!! they have lost every single ounce of creditability in the street!! also the past 24 hours have revealed that every violence attempt that toke place ever sicne and during the revolution was orchestrated by the muslim brotherhood. these people abel have blood on there hands!!! and the truth is emerging every hour!

there is no denying all egyptains need to unite now, not a single group or party should be excluded bec they all represent egypt. however the muslim brotherhood are the ones who brought this on them selves they were the ones who wanted to take everything for themselves and not place responsibilty on all factions of the egyptain community.

abel also the people did not go to the streets in these numbers bec of the Mb for the sake of them, but bec for there utter failure in running this country!!! we are worse off than during the darkest hour of jan 2011. they chose there loyal candidates rather than the candidates who are best suited fro running the government. they tricked people in the name of religion, and we got screw int he constitution bec it was written in a way that better suited there benefits.

 

[icemaη]

It is by definition, better. That's what the means.

Yeah, in retrospect that sounds ridiculous

 

[Bisco]

Is everything alright, Bisco? I hope it's going to happen for Egypt.

everything is great, there is nothing to worry about

The military meddling with civilian affairs is never a good thing Bisco... 'The lesser of the two evils' is not necessarily always better.

It is by definition, better. That's what the means.

military will ALWAYS intervene when country is on brink of chaos

abel is right, and this is exactly what happened. the amount of weapons caught is ridiculous!!!

also once again off course the military is not trusted 100% but this time they too learned that the people will not accept military rule again!!! the head of the army have been replaced and once again unlike the previous head of the military who were with mubarak for 20 years, this new adminstration are very very very popular in the egyptain army and egyptain community. its still early to judge the military in my opinion, but they will release the plan for the next stage and they know the people will go back in the streets again.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

abel the Mb are as not as big as you think, lets say they are a million strong!! they have lost every single ounce of creditability in the street!! also the past 24 hours have revealed that every violence attempt that toke place ever sicne and during the revolution was orchestrated by the muslim brotherhood. these people abel have blood on there hands!!! and the truth is emerging every hour!

there is no denying all egyptains need to unite now, not a single group or party should be excluded bec they all represent egypt. however the muslim brotherhood are the ones who brought this on them selves they were the ones who wanted to take everything for themselves and not place responsibilty on all factions of the egyptain community.

abel also the people did not go to the streets in these numbers bec of the Mb for the same of them, but bec for there utter failure in running this country!!! we are worse off than during the darkest hour of jan 2011. they chose there loyal candidates rather than the candidates who are best suited fro running the government. they tricked people in the name of religion, and we got screw int he constitution bec it was written in a way that better suited there benefits.

i think you might be downplaying the influence of the mb. Practically all of the saeed is theirs, and like i said at first sign of trouble they will use their tools, religion, to convince people that they made a mistake. As you know, and best exemplified on this glorious forum , the majority will succumb to the appeal of knee jerk reactions. As much as you hate these guys, and i am totally with you on the hate, for the future of your country they have to have a place in the government imo