Egypt: from 2011 demonstrations to today (16 Viewers)

K.O.

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Nov 24, 2005
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I just pointed out the irony in which some Egyptians would take Mubarak back if it means Morsi's time is over.

I'm not egyptian bro, but I freaking hate Morsi. I've never seen a leader of a country with absolutely ZERO charisma! It's astonishing how the majority of Egyptians voted for him. It was just a shame his opponents were too nice informing the uneducated public of the dangers of electing an Ekhwani at the time.
 

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Bisco

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Nov 21, 2005
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I just pointed out the irony in which some Egyptians would take Mubarak back if it means Morsi's time is over.

I'm not egyptian bro, but I freaking hate Morsi. I've never seen a leader of a country with absolutely ZERO charisma! It's astonishing how the majority of Egyptians voted for him. It was just a shame his opponents were too nice informing the uneducated public of the dangers of electing an Ekhwani at the time.
:agree: you would be astonished if you were to ride a taxi, or the under ground people literally say this. its not bec mubarak was great but bec we did not suffer this much. yes income wise people were barely able to survive however the country was very secure, you could stay in the street till 4 am and not a single thing can happen to you, now you get assulted at 8 pm in the middle of the street. we never had this massive amount of power cuts!! we have one every day and it lasts for an hour.

as for super morsy he is nothing but a puppet to the muslim brotherhood head office. he has no idea of how to run a country of egypt's size and stature in the region. in general like you said he has zero charisma. he cant even maintain the strong bonds we have with the region, countries like saudi and uae are not very excited about the prospect bec he simply does'nt know how to win them over. even egypts international ties with countries like the united states for instance have had a major dent to it. its remarkable when you consider obama is yet to meet him. egypt's national security is threatened as if egypt does'nt own the biggest army in the region. our troops are killed in cold blood whilst fasting in the holy month of ramadan and to this very minute the people responsible for this tragedy ( they r known to the army mind you) are yet to be brought forward to the court. finally this past week egypt got threatened once again by ethiopia's 14th dam! that is going to effect egypts share in the nile which is 55.5 billion liters of water annually, you can imagine the topic is handled so lightly as if there is nothing urgent. morsy even is a failure when it comes to begging for money!!! he played his cards like an amateur with the russians, he is buckling under the salafists regarding have relations with iran, and when he tried to twist the arms of the gulf states it back fired in his face. i can go on and on both domestically and internationally he has been the biggest flop. finally and in an insult to history, a member of the muslim brotherhood who take nasser as there worst enemy!! preaches that he will continue what nasser started off ( yes morsy mention nasser in his meeting with the labor force on labor's day) in all honesty you cant compare a man like nasser with a roach like morsy. despite my opinion regarding nasser being known.

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Morsi won because the Muslim Brotherhood was the only political party that was well organized, as they have been an organized group for decades.
:agree: sad but thats the truth and the sooner the opposition understand the better for them and the Egyptian people who are being squashed by a facist group and a sissy yes sissy ( for lack of better words) opposition.

i just want to point out that this is not the only reason they won, the egyptain people where stuck between two choices. both choices were equally worse. we had to choose between mubarak's last prime minister and between a retard who has zero personality and belongs to a facist religious group that take religion as a means to getting to power. while i personally bycotted these elections like many other who simply thought both were un worthy of being egypt's first president after a revolution that has seen hundreds of young egyptains die and many thousands injured.

secondly morsy won bec the revolution youth had an agreement with the muslim brotherhood that they would only vote for morsy if he vow's to create a government that represents all political views in egypt. off course needless to say the next day they celebrated as if he won bec of his non existent project.

thirdly, you need to know that the usa where the ones who pushed the mb, note this is politics and the united states needs to guarantee the egyptain- isreali peace treaty is respected. off course they where given guarantee's and like the rest of us they were deceived and it comes as no surprise morsy is yet to meet obama.

the united states fell for the move morsy did with hamas, he some how made them stop launching there rockets on isreal ( which is against what they preached during mubarak, there is a video where he calls jews apes and so on and on ) and right after the USA gave its blessings to such a role, morsy did not hesitate to launch his constitutional corrections which made a god. ever since that day egypt has erupted into turmoil. the constitution was written with many factions of the egyptain community not being represented.

as of recently the moron has been told flat out that the international community are'nt happy with how the country is being run.
 

Bisco

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Nov 21, 2005
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just signed one of these bad boys :klin: morsy and the gang are literally shitting bricks bec of this campaign that has been started by the youth, who this time are calling the shots and every one in the opposition camp is following to the word. i see super morsy go bye bye soon. he has lost the support from every one including a big chunk of beardies who have seen the negative effect he and the mb have on the image of yr average beardie. the reasons for why this campaign has kicked off are clearly presented in simple terms. so far we r talking about 15million + citizens who signed this petition and on the 30th of june these numbers will be heading to the presidential palace for sit in's until they give in to the people's main demand which is early presidential elections and rightly soo, as morsy has proven over the course of 11 months that he lacks vision, is a lair who promised several things and broke all his promises, has dis-respected the judicial system, has tried and still is trying to drag us throw the mud for his mb's gains with no regard to national security, and lastly but not least he is no different than mubarak when it comes to a citizens dignity and right for a proper life.

http://tamarod.com/index.php?page=english
 

Bisco

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Nov 21, 2005
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this Ethiopian issue might just be(hopefully) the last nail their coffin
Amen!! its done Abel insha Allah take my word for it, yes it might take days may be weeks but the inevitable is going to happen and we will be free from all these people who sell islam, people's lives, and our future for cheap temporary political gains for there group. as for the Ethiopian issue, the massive majority of egyptains are at shock of that ridiculous tv stunt that reflects how immature this regime is in every single aspect. extreme failure is written all over the muslim brotherhood and i'm glad people both in and out of egypt are witnessing the biggest myth ever sold
 

Bisco

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Nov 21, 2005
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yet another joke/failure. i think tut is rolling in his grave at the moment. sad that we've reached this state.

switzerland are in shock ( note in 96-97 there was a famous masacre in luxor where 66 innocent swiss civilians got killed in cold blood by this same group that the new governor comes from. make no mistake this is a tactical move and in a way is a means of the cunt that is morsy thanking the gamaa islamiaa for being the only source and i repeat the ONLY source of support and r willing to go down in arms to defend this failing president. the salafists who are ultra conservative ditched the MB at last after being tricked several times.

New Governor Shock to Some Inside Egypt
By BEN HUBBARD and MAYY EL SHEIKH
Published: June 16, 2013


CAIRO — Egypt’s Islamist president appointed a new governor of Luxor on Sunday who comes from the political arm of an Islamist group that once carried out terrorist attacks that killed dozens of tourists, soldiers and police officers in the same city.

The group, the Gamaa al-Islamiyya, renounced violence in 2003 and joined the political process after the revolution in 2011.

But its partisans hold ultraconservative views on matters like sunbathing, women wearing shorts, the consumption of alcohol and other things that many tourists consider necessary components of vacations to see the country’s Pharaonic sites. Luxor is a major attraction, and tourism has been vital to the Egyptian economy.

Many people were shocked by the appointment.

“It is amazingly tone-deaf to symbolism,” said Michael Wahid Hanna, an analyst at the Century Foundation. “Everybody is interested in the process of normalization of these former militant groups into politics, but I think it is pretty audacious to appoint a Gamaa member to be governor of Luxor, of all places.”

The new governor, Adel Asaad al-Khayyat, is not well known outside upper Egypt, where he was a leader in the engineers’ syndicate and worked for a government office that promotes regional development.

Security officials say he was detained without charge by the Egyptian authorities during the crackdown on Islamist groups after the assassination of President Anwar el-Sadat in 1981.

Mr. Khayyat did not immediately comment on what his policies would be as governor. Aides to President Mohamed Morsi could not be reached for comment on Sunday.

But the appointment immediately drew jokes that the end of Egypt’s ancient pre-Islamic heritage was nigh.

“The governor of Luxor from the Gamaa? O.K., get us two idols from there before it’s too late,” the TV comedian Bassem Youssef posted on Twitter.

Mr. Khayyat’s group follows a puritanical form of Islam called Salafism that seeks to closely imitate the lives of the Prophet Muhammad and his companions. While less well organized than the Muslim Brotherhood, the group to which Mr. Morsi belonged, Salafists have formed political parties and won seats in Parliament.

Some Salafi leaders have expressed disregard, and even hostility, toward Egypt’s pre-Islamic relics and monuments, which they consider pagan.

They were widely blamed for splashing blue paint on a statue of a mermaid in Alexandria last month. And in 2011, they wrapped cloth around a fountain that depicted mermaids, and hung a sign praising Egyptian women for dedication to their husbands.

Salafi political leaders have not actively moved to eliminate the country’s ancient sites, but their contempt for the ways of non-Muslim tourists is well known. A fatwa, or religious decree, published on the Gamaa al-Islamiyya’s Web site advised members of the group not to build tourist accommodations.

“Because tourist villages have aspects that anger Allah, including alcohol, gambling and other forbidden things, building these hotels and villages is considered aiding their owners in sin and aggression, and is not permitted,” the decision read.

Mr. Khayyat was one of 17 new governors named Sunday, 7 of them from the Muslim Brotherhood. The group now has 13 of Egypt’s 27 governorates.


SOURCE http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/17/world/middleeast/new-governor-shock-to-some-inside-egypt.html?_r=0

conclusion: bye bye morsy you have digged yr grave a little bit deeper.

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so people can understand what this rebel ( tamarrod) is and why there is a lot at stake come 30th of june ( if not before bec people in egypt are boiling!! you dont walk in cairo's street's with out being asked are you going to the streets on the 30th or not and 9 out of ten the answer is yes!)


Dr. Zogby

Tamarrod: Egyptians Organizing for June 30th

Monday June 17, 2013

June 30th marks Mohamed Morsi's first anniversary as President of Egypt. It is also the date set for nationwide demonstrations protesting Morsi's increasingly authoritarian leadership and the role his Muslim Brotherhood is playing in post-Tahrir Egypt.

The organizing effort for June 30th is called "Tamarrod" (rebel). They have, at last report, collected over 15 million signatures on petitions endorsing their protest movement and are convening nationwide organizing meetings in preparation for the big day. Expectations are running high that Tamarrod may replicate the government-changing events of January/February 2011.

It remains to be seen whether this movement succeeds or fizzles, but what its early successes reflect is the fact that the Morsi government is in deep trouble. A recently completed poll of 5,029 Egyptians adults, conducted by Zogby Research Services (ZRS) found that Morsi, his government, and party have, in fact, suffered a dramatic loss of support and legitimacy.

One year ago, despite having been elected by a minority of eligible voters, Mohamed Morsi was being given the benefit of the doubt by a majority of all Egyptians—with 57% saying his victory was either “a positive development” or “the result of a democratic election and the results need to be respected.”

Today, that support has dropped to only 28%, with almost all of it coming from those who identify with his Muslim Brotherhood party. And yet despite this narrow base of support, the president and his party now hold most of the levers of executive and legislative decision-making authority and are using them to crack down on the press, civil society, and most forms of dissent. In addition, there are worrisome signs of still more over-reach by the presidency. As a result, over 70% of the electorate now express concern that “the Muslim Brotherhood intends to Islamize the state and control its executive powers.”

What emerges from the ZRS findings is a portrait of a post-Tahrir Egypt in crisis with a deeply divided electorate. The poll shows that the major opposition groups (the National Salvation Front and the April 6th Movement) combined have a somewhat larger potential support base than the governing parties. The opposition, though repeatedly out-organized in elections by the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafi Nour Party, can claim the confidence of almost 35% of the adult population. The remaining almost 40% of the population, while holding political views identical to those of the opposition, appear to have no confidence in either the government or any of Egypt's opposition parties. They are a “disaffected plurality.”

This loss of confidence in the government can be seen in the responses to every question asked in the ZRS survey, with an overwhelming majority of Egyptians expressing disapproval of Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood and dissatisfaction with their policies and performance in: drafting and embracing what is seen as a flawed constitution-writing process; and failing to provide economic opportunity, needed services, guaranteeing personal freedoms, and keeping the country safe. In each of these areas, only about one-quarter of the electorate expresses some degree of approval with the actions of the government, while almost three-quarters disapprove. In each instance, the support for the government comes almost exclusively from those who identify with the Muslim Brotherhood, while the rest of the population is nearly unanimous in their disapproval.

What also comes through quite clearly is that the opposition to Morsi suffers from a crisis in leadership and organization. Of the nine living Egyptian figures covered in the ZRS poll (including all those who ran for president and/or who lead opposition political parties), none are viewed as credible by more than a third of the electorate, with most seen as credible by only a quarter. Only Bassem Yousef, a popular TV satirist who has been indicted by the government and charged with insulting the "presidency" and Islam, is viewed as credible by a majority of Egyptians.

While division defines much of the poll’s findings, there were a few areas where consensus could be found. Interestingly, the late president Anwar Sadat won extremely high ratings from all groups—Islamists, secular oppositionists, and the "disaffected". More significantly, the army also receives strong approval ratings from all sectors and parties—an overall 94% positive rating—with the judiciary following closely behind. These two institutions have, at times, acted as buffers muting the presidency’s tendency to over-reach. But while a majority of supporters of the opposition parties and the “disaffected” would like the army to play a larger role, there is not strong overall support for military intervention in civil affairs.

What to do next? Immediate elections for a new parliament are supported by the Islamic parties. But this idea is rejected by most other Egyptians, with a substantial majority saying that they do not believe that new elections would be fair or transparent. The opposition, and a majority of the electorate, strongly favors scrapping the constitution. But this is rejected by supporters of the main Islamic parties.

The only proposal that receives near unanimous support from all groups is the convening of "a real national dialogue"—though it remains to be seen what such a dialogue might accomplish given the polarization that currently exists.

So one year after Mohamed Morsi's victory, Egypt is in crisis. The economy is in shambles, rights are being eroded, and a minority-supported party controls the power over a deeply fractured polity. Into this arena comes the Tamarrod movement and its attempt to unite the opposition and organize the disaffected in a last ditch effort to force needed change. It remains to be seen what June 30th will bring, but regardless of the outcome, it will be a momentous day in Egypt's contemporary political development.

SOURCE: http://www.aaiusa.org/dr-zogby/entry/tamarrod-egyptians-organizing-for-june-30th/

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here are the poll results of a survey carried out regarding egypt. by james zogby.

here is a very interesting insight on the situation in egypt that shows the major division and how there is growing opposition to the current state we have reached: http://www.aaiusa.org/page/-/Polls/EgyptianAttitudesTowardMB_%20June2013.pdf

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NEWS FLASH: the muslim brotherhood believe it or not ( just a month ago they were the most arrogant group to the degree several groups with in the islamic camp where running behind them whilst drooling to get any thing even if its the ministry of culture!! ) are trying to united the islamist camp to back them up and they got a SOLID FUCK OFF ( off course not bec the salafists are angel's but bec they know they cant stand for long against the people they will sign there complete death if they go up against the people) so now the only group of beardies pairing with the miserable MB are the gamaa islamiyaa the same group that used weapons to terrorize civilian egyptains from the late 70's and well into the early 90's ( vital piece of info: when these groups/cells where captured and sent to prisons they did what we call ideological revisions/corrections and they wrote books to prove they have changed there violent based idea's these group of peoples specially the top dogs ( who toke part in sadat's assassination, luxor massacre, killing tourists, killing Egyptian civilians, and the same group the prick that is zawahri comes from) had to serve long sentences but the prick named morsy released them under presidential exemption, specially when he felt the army is not going to bend over.

now there is a delegation from hamas in cairo, and for some annoying reason hamas get's involved in egypts internal affairs simply bec they r part of the muslim brotherhood. just now there was a crystal clear statement released by both the egyptain police and egyptain army warning hamas from interfering on the 30th of june ( there are a lot of evidence hamas actually played a part in violent incidents during the revolution in jan 2011)

i think arab's and any one who still thinks hamas are trying to regain the Palestinian lands they r delusional just take a look at the deal brokered by super morsy.

i'm glad the army released this statement, bec the army and egyptains alike have had there fair share of crap from hamas.
 

Bisco

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Nov 21, 2005
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Op-Ed Columnist
Egypt’s Perilous Drift
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: June 15, 2013 103 Comments

MARSA ALAM, Egypt — ON Tuesday, I visited a bakery in Cairo’s dirt-poor Imbaba neighborhood, where I watched a scrum of men, women and children jostling to get bread. You have to get there early, because the baker makes only so many subsidized pita loaves; he sells the rest of his government-subsidized flour on the black market to private bakers who charge five times the official price. He has no choice, he says, because his fuel costs are spiking. You can watch the subsidized-flour bags being carried on shoulders out the side door. “This is the hardest job in Egypt,” the bakery owner told me. Everyone is always mad at him, especially those who line up early and still leave with no bread.

These are difficult days in Egypt. It is running out of hard currency and can’t buy enough gasoline and diesel for power stations. Long lines are forming at gas stations, worsening Cairo’s titanic traffic jams, and electricity cuts are commonplace. Around the corner from the bakery, on an unpaved street, a small knot of men have two manhole covers lifted, exposing a sickening black sludge that has backed up almost to street level; they’re fishing down the hole for the blockage with a long, thin rod. There is much arguing about how best to solve this problem. In the background, through an open window, you hear children in a Koranic school cheerfully repeating verses for their teacher.

This is Egypt in miniature — so many problems built up over so many years that are all about to spill onto the street. No one can agree on what to do about them — and the only tool they have looks like a 30-foot-long, jury-rigged, straightened coat hanger.

As if things weren’t bad enough, who should show up to add to Egypt’s stresses but Mother Nature herself. Climate, water, food and population pressures are now interweaving with the political and economic ones in ways that would challenge even the best of leaders, and Egypt today has far from the best. In the last month, Cairo has seen temperatures as high as 113 degrees Fahrenheit, 20 degrees above the daily average high.

And the headline news in Cairo last week was Ethiopia’s construction of the biggest hydroelectric dam in Africa, on the Blue Nile. As the reservoir behind the dam is filled up, the water supply to Egypt is likely to be reduced, and since Egypt’s 85 million people get 97 percent of their fresh water from the Nile, this has become a huge issue. Some senior Egyptian officials speak of possible military action to prevent the dam from being completed. President Mohamed Morsi, of the Muslim Brotherhood, on Monday declared publicly of Ethiopia: “We are not calling for war, but we will never permit our water security ... to be threatened.” Egypt, he said, will keep “all options open.” Ethiopia has responded with defiance, with its prime minister, Hailemariam Desalegn, saying “nothing and no one” would stop construction.

Invading Ethiopia may be Morsi’s only open option. His government has been a huge disappointment for many Egyptians. Many non-Islamists voted for Morsi — it was the only way he got elected — because they felt they could not vote for the candidate favored by supporters of the former dictator Hosni Mubarak, and because they believed his promise to be “inclusive.” These pro-Morsi non-Islamists are known here as “lemon squeezers,” from an Egyptian expression — when you are forced to do or eat something unpleasant you say: “I squeezed lemon all over it first.”

When you talk to these lemon squeezers today — the liberals, conservatives and nationalists who make up the opposition — you can feel a palpable hatred for the Muslim Brotherhood and a powerful sense of theft: a widespread feeling that the Brotherhood tricked the lemon squeezers and the poor into voting for its members and now they have failed to either fix the country or share power, but are busy trying to impose religious norms. This opposition has mounted a nationwide petition drive that has garnered 10 million signatures so far calling on Morsi to resign and to call new elections. On June 30, their campaign is set to culminate in a nationwide anti-Morsi protest. Morsi still enjoys support in the more traditional countryside, so this could get very ugly.

WHAT to do with such a mess?

In trying to answer that question I did something different on this trip. I did not talk to any politicians, but focused instead on Egypt’s impressive but small group of environmental activists, many of whom were also involved in the 2011 uprising that toppled Mubarak. I focused on them because I believe that while they may not know what is sufficient to fix Egypt (who does?) they do know what is necessary:

Egypt needs a revolution.

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Wait, isn’t that what happened two years ago? Not really. It is now clear that what happened two years ago was more musical chairs than revolution. First the army, using the energy of the youth-led protesters in Tahrir Square, ousted Mubarak, and then the Muslim Brotherhood ousted the army, and now the opposition is trying to oust the Brotherhood. Each, though, is operating on the old majoritarian politics — winners take all, losers get nothing.

But the truth is that any faction here — the youth, the army, the Muslim Brotherhood — that thinks it can rule Egypt alone and make the others disappear is fooling itself. (Ditto in Syria, Yemen, Iraq and Libya.) Because Egypt is in such a deep hole, and the reforms needed so painful, they can be accomplished only if everyone shares in the responsibility and ownership of the transition through a national unity coalition. In that sense Egyptians today desperately need a “peace process” — not with Israel, but with one another.

Everyone has to take responsibility for the commons, rather than just grabbing their own. That is the real cultural revolution that has to happen for Egypt to revive. And that’s where the environmentalists here have such an advantage over the politicians, because all they think about is the commons — resources that have to be shared. Egypt’s commons — its bridges, roads, parks, coral reefs — are crumbling.

I’m here looking at how environmental stresses contributed to the Arab Awakening, as part of a documentary for Showtime: “Years of Living Dangerously.” This week we traveled to Marsa Alam, on the Red Sea, with Ahmed el-Droubi, a campaigner for Greenpeace in Egypt, and Amr Ali, the head of the Hurghada Environmental Protection and Conservation Association, or Hepca, a Red Sea conservation group, to look at how overbuilding, overfishing and rising water temperatures have led to the bleaching of some of the Red Sea’s spectacular coral reefs. As we set out for a dive to look at these reefs, Droubi tried to explain Egypt’s central problem to me by using the example of Cairo’s jammed traffic, among the worst in the world.

“The other day,” Droubi said, “I was standing on a main intersection in downtown Cairo, where two one-way roads meet. As I stood there, I saw cars going both ways down both one-way streets — cars were coming and going in four different directions — and other cars were double-parked. I was standing next to a shop owner watching this. 'This is a complete mess,’ he said. 'No one has any civic responsibility. They each only care about themselves getting to where they are going.’ ”

A few minutes later, Droubi continued, a car that was parked right in front of the man’s shop drove away and a new car tried to slip in. “This same owner came out with a chair, put it in the parking space and told the new driver not to block his store but to double-park and block part of the street instead!” Droubi told me. “So, the shop owner saw the problem. He knew the reasons for the problem. He knew the solution, but he wouldn’t do his part because he thought others would not do theirs. The net result was that the traffic was worse for everyone. We have to break this cycle — to show people if they act in the common good they will each benefit more.”

What happened on Cairo’s roads happened along the Red Sea coast. Each hotel owner looked out for himself, while a corrupt government looked the other way. Some hotel owners, to expand their land or gain some beach, simply put landfill over the coral reefs on their shores. Marine activities were unregulated, stressing dolphins in their own resting areas, where they try to sleep safe from the sharks. Fishermen overfished — especially for sharks, which they sold for meat and for fins — and they used dynamite and mesh nets that killed the multicolored reef fish, along with the grouper they were trying to catch. As a result, the whole reef ecosystem became less resilient to global warming.

“In 1997, one of the hottest years on record, coral bleaching became a problem around the world,” but not in the Red Sea, Ali told me. Coral bleaching means that the photosynthetic algae that give the coral its rainbow of colors and nutrition are evicted by the coral after it is stressed beyond certain natural limits and it all turns bone white. But in 2012, when water temperatures in the Red Sea rose by about two degrees Celsius above their average, said Ali, the coral died “all over the place,” especially in the most tourist-filled and fished areas. Healthy coral are critical for fish spawning.

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Hepca was formed by the diving community in 1992 to protect the reefs. “These coral reefs are the rain forests of the marine environment,” Droubi explained. “There are 800 species of coral here and 1,200 species of fish.” It all, though, requires a healthy ecosystem, starting with the apex predator — the sharks. If too many sharks are killed, too many of the midlevel predators survive and they then eat too many of the smaller plant-eating fish that keep coral healthy by eating the algae off substrates to clear space for coral to colonize. A reef rich in herbivores will be more resilient.

But for a long time the local government and fishermen were not interested and certainly could not grasp global warming’s impact on the region. So Hepca helped them understand the problem by putting it in their vernacular. They estimated that every shark in the Red Sea was worth about $150,000 a year in business from tourists (who fly in to see or swim with the sharks) and lived for 30 years, while a shark killed for meat and fins for soup brought in about $150 one time. So if everyone worked together, if the government passed new zoning laws where people could fish, and dive-tour operators respected them and Hepca was empowered to enforce the regulation with its own speedboats — the Egyptian coast guard has no boats — everyone would be better off. It sounds simple, but it was a revolution here.

“The national government was not really interested in helping,” Droubi said, “but the local government and fishermen realized they were losing, so everybody came together for a local solution,” which was creating protected zones. “Everybody realized that they were stakeholders,” he added — the environmentalists because of their priorities, the local government, which wanted the tax base from tourism and fishing, and the tourism and fishing industries because this was their livelihood. “We made everyone aware of how their interests intersected if they worked together. It was all about revolting against an old paradigm and creating a new one.” So far the results seem promising.

I HAVE no illusions, and neither do Droubi and Ali, about how hard it would be to bring this kind of “shared commons” thinking to the national level here, but the absence of it is what ails almost every one of these Arab Awakenings today, where one group or another thinks it can have it all and too few people are thinking about the common good and how it has the potential make them all better off. Syria is the most extreme version of this disease, but Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and Yemen are all struggling with the same issue.

What is different about Egypt, though, is that it is bursting with talented young people who understand that Egypt needs an inclusive, long-term, sustainable plan for national renewal. And what they also understand is that those who say that the Arabs have tried everything — Nasserism, socialism, Communism, Baathism, liberalism and Islamism — but that nothing has worked, are wrong. There is one ism they haven’t tried: environmentalism. The only way Egypt and the other Awakening states will have sustainable democracies with sustainable economies is to elevate an environmental ethic to the center of political thinking. Without that, it’s all just musical chairs.

SOURCE: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/o...ft.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&ref=thomaslfriedman

NOTE: i will personally reply to this article, in a day or two as soon as i manage to find some time to sit and type my response. whilst this article by Thomas Friedman rises some great points it has some deliberate mis-understanding or if i can be extremely honest, is an attempt to save face on behalf of the American administration of yet another major failure for the dept. of foreign affairs with regard to supporting yet again the wrong side.
 

Bisco

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Nov 21, 2005
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in another event that follows the same path the Thomas Friedman article toke, the united states of america ambassador in cairo mrs Ann patterson meets up with kayrat el-shatter the assistant to the supreme leader of the muslim brotherhood, in an indication that the US it self is'nt under any delusion who is in control of egypt. NOTE: this assistant in the mb council has no identity in the egyptain govermental frame!!! there are alot of critizing going on on behalf of the media and people that the US seems to be following the same wrong path and is aligning its self once again with the wrong side. i would've respected thsi move if it was made public i,e the discussions that toke place between the ambassador and the deputy assistant of the supreme leader of the terrorist and fascistic group known as muslim brotherhood. this meeting is a clear indication that the US is also aligning its self with a people who r publicly threatening egyptains!!! these islamists group are not shying from threatening egyptains who r now infidels!!! to get killed if they attempt to remove the cunt that is morsy.

my predictions: the US will sell morsy, and these cunts who wear the cloak of islam falsely the same way mubarak was sold.

i'm under no delusion my self, that this is a show of support to the side that better serves America's policy and maintains the benefits of the united states in the region and i'm not naive like many egyptains who thought the MB were the anti US due to there previous comments long before the egyptain revolution. make no mistake before they came to power, they hated isreal ( now isreal is not considered an enemy infact iran is considered the enemy due to there support of bashar!!, i will never ever forget how members of the muslim brotherhood celebrated isreal air striking syria! ) the US was called names that were beyond ridiculous and the US media did expose these insults and radical opinions yet now its 180 degreee image rotation. these people are a bunch of hypocrites and i'm sure this is the end of this group who ever since showing up in the scene in the late 20's this region has seen its fair share of hate, bigotry, retardness, etc etc and you wonder why i hate these so called islamists?! i've never hated a group of people more than these bearded sons of bitches!! nothing even comes remotely closed and if i'm called an infidel due to this point of view so be it, i'd proudly like being called an infidel than support such bigorty, and fascistic idea's as this.
 

Bisco

Senior Member
Nov 21, 2005
14,378
a sad and tragic event that symbolizes two things:

- super morsy has brought to egypt a new form of bigotry!! ( please refer to bolded part in article)
- this is why i hate these so called "islamists" i seriously feel disgusted by all this crap.


Officials say Egyptian Sunni Muslims kill 4 Shiites, charging they were spreading their faith



By Associated Press, Published: June 23

CAIRO — Sunni Muslim villagers killed four Shiite men on Sunday, accusing them of trying to spread their version of Islam, according to Egyptian security officials.

The four were beaten to death in Giza province, near the capital, Cairo, in one of the most serious sectarian incidents in Egypt in recent months.

The Health Ministry confirmed the death toll, adding that scores of Shiites were seriously injured in the attack.

About 3,000 angry villagers, including ultraconservative Salafis, surrounded the house of Shiite leader Hassan Shehata, threatening to set it on fire if 34 Shiites inside did not leave the village before the end of the day, according to the officials. When they refused, villagers attacked them, dragged them along the ground, and partially burned the house, the officials said.

The Shiites were performing religious rituals outside the house when they were attacked, according to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to brief reporters.

Sectarian violence has increased over the past two years, but usually the targets of Muslim extremists have been Christians, not Shiites, who have only a small presence in overwhelmingly Sunni Egypt. Christians make up about 10 percent of the population.

Sunday’s attack came several days after a number of Salafis insulted Shiites during a rally attended by Egypt’s Islamist President Mohammed Morsi, who listened silently while remaining impassive.

A Salafi preacher, Mohammed Hassan, called on Morsi “not to open the doors of Egypt” to Shiites, saying that “they never entered a place without corrupting it.”

Salafis consider Shiite as heretics.


SOURCE:http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...b0bcf6-dc3d-11e2-a484-7b7f79cd66a1_story.html

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and the hits just keep coming in morsy's face :) once again please refer to bolded part bec this is fresh news and very very serious! there is every chance this prick might leave forced by law to stand in front of jury along with 34 other muslim brotherhood memebers who are accused in this jail breaking in cases.

Egypt Morsi Protests: Army Ready To Save Nation From 'Dark Tunnel,' Defense Minister Says

By HAMZA HENDAWI 06/23/13 05:00 PM ET EDT AP


CAIRO — Wading into an increasingly volatile fray, Egypt's military on Sunday gave the nation's Islamist rulers and their opponents a week to reach an understanding before planned June 30 opposition protests aimed at forcing out the president, in a toughly worded warning that it will intervene to stop the nation from entering a "dark tunnel."

The powerful military also gave a thinly veiled warning to President Mohammed Morsi's hard-line backers that it will step in if the mostly secular and liberal protesters, who have vowed to be peaceful, are attacked during the planned demonstrations.

In a bid to project a business-as-usual image, Morsi's office said in a statement late Sunday that the president met with the army's chief, Defense Minister Gen. Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi, to discuss the "domestic scene and the government's efforts to maintain the security of the nation and the safety of its citizens." There was no mention of el-Sissi's warning.

Seeking to assert Morsi's seniority over el-Sissi – the president is the supreme commander of the armed forces – the brief statement, alluding to June 30, said he ordered the quick completion of plans to protect the state's strategic and vital installations.

The opposition argues that Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood, despite having won a series of elections since the 2011 revolution that ousted autocrat Hosni Mubarak, have squandered their legitimacy with heavy handed misrule. It contends that the Islamists have encroached on the independence of the judiciary, sought to monopolize power, and pushed through an Islamist-backed constitution, breaking promises to seek consensus.

Morsi's supporters say the opposition has shunned his offers of dialogue and now are turning to force to remove him because they have been unable to compete at the ballot box.

On Sunday, a court compounded Morsi's troubles by saying members of his Muslim Brotherhood conspired with Hamas, Hezbollah and local militants to storm a prison in 2011 and free 34 Brotherhood leaders, including Morsi. Also, the most iconic youth figure of the 2011 revolution, Wael Ghonim, called on Morsi to step down before June 30 to prevent bloodshed.

Both sides say they intend to be peaceful on June 30, but many fear the day could descend into violence. There are worries young protesters could attack offices of the Brotherhood and its political arm, the Freedom and Justice party. Some of Morsi's hard-line supporters have vowed to "smash" the protests or have declared protesters infidels who deserve to be killed.

"Those who will spray Morsi with water will be sprayed with blood," warned one cleric.

El-Sissi, weighed in with his first public comments on the planned protests while addressing officers at a seminar Sunday.

It was his most direct warning yet that the military – which ruled Egypt directly after Mubarak's fall until Morsi's June 30, 2012 inauguration – could step in.

He said the country's divisions had reached a point that they were a danger to the state itself.

"Those who think that we (the military) are oblivious to the dangers that threaten the Egyptian state are mistaken. We will not remain silent while the country slips into a conflict that will be hard to control," he said in his comments, made public on the military's Facebook page.

Ostensibly, el-Sissi addressed both sides. But his demand for "genuine reconciliation" seemed to be a nod toward the opposition's stance that Morsi's past gestures of "dialogue" have been empty and a signal to him that he must make compromises.

"It is the most powerful public and direct message from the military to the president," said analyst Abdullah el-Sinnawi, thought to be close to the military. "I see this as a warning of a coup if Morsi does not find a solution."

Another analyst, Gamal Abdel-Gawad of the Al-Ahram Center for Political and Strategic studies, said the comments signaled a change in the military's position.

"We are in a different phase now. He (el-Sissi) is giving a deadline for a solution to the president to do what he can do or else they will be forced to intervene," he said.

El-Sissi appeared to lower the threshold for what warrants intervention by the military. In earlier pronouncements, he cited the collapse or near collapse of the state.

On Sunday, however, he said the military has a "patriotic and moral responsibility" to stop Egypt from "slipping into a dark tunnel of conflict or internal fighting." He said sectarian violence and the collapse of state institutions would also justify intervention.

He urged all parties to reach a "genuine reconciliation" to defuse the crisis before June 30.

"We have a week during which a great deal can be achieved. This is a call that is only motivated by love of the nation, its presence and future," he said.

In a thinly veiled warning to Morsi's hard-line backers, el-Sissi said: "It is not honorable that we remain silent in the face of the terrorizing and scaring of our Egyptian compatriots. There is more honor in death than watching a single Egyptian harmed while the army is still around."

El-Sissi also warned that the military will no longer tolerate any "insults" to the armed forces and its leaders, apparently a reference to a series of comments by figures from the Muslim Brotherhood, from which Morsi hails, that were perceived by the military as derogatory.

After its post-Mubarak period of direct rule, the powerful military has largely stayed out of the political fray. Soon after his inauguration, Morsi pushed the military's top two generals into retirement, ending the de facto military rule of Egypt that dates back to a 1952 coup that toppled the monarchy.

Morsi appointed el-Sissi as military chief and defense minister, leading many to believe the general would be beholden to the president. But el-Sissi, through a series of subtle but telling hints, has shown a significant level of independence as well as displeasure over the policies of the Morsi administration.

Morsi's comrades in the Brotherhood have made it clear that they want the military to focus entirely on protecting the nation against outside threats, but el-Sissi has countered by making clear that maintaining the security and stability of the nation was part of the military's mandate.

Protest organizers say they will bring out crowds across the country, building on public anger over a host of problems in the country, from surging crime and rising prices to fuel shortages, power cuts and unemployment. The protests call for Morsi to step down and early elections to be held at the end of a short transitional period.

Sunday, another prominent figure from the anti-Mubarak uprising, Ghoneim, weighed in with a video posted on his Twitter account saying it was time for Morsi to go.

"I was hoping that I would thank (Morsi) for what he has done for Egypt a year after he took office. But regrettably, the conditions in Egypt now are very grave," Ghoneim said. "Please stop the strife we are approaching, for the sake of God and country, and resign before June 30."

The report issued by a court in the Suez Canal city of Ismailia added to Morsi troubles. The court statement read by judge Khaled Mahgoub named two members of Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood as among the conspirators along with Hamas and Hezbollah members in an attack on Wadi el-Natroun prison on Jan. 29, 2011.

The judge said his court would refer the evidence and testimonies it gathered to prosecutors so they can start their own investigation.

Morsi and the 33 Brotherhood leaders who were in jail in 2011 have maintained that they were freed by local residents. Hamas, the Palestinian chapter of the Brotherhood, has denied involvement in the attacks on prisons.

The Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice party said Sunday's court statement on the Wadi el-Natroun prison break was "void and illegal." It posted on its Twitter account that Mahgoub "will end like any other judge who did not respect the law or the constitution."

The prison breaks took place during the 18-day popular uprising that toppled Mubarak's regime. The breaks involved about 11 of Egypt's 41 prisons and led to a flood of some 23,000 criminals onto the streets, fueling a crime wave that continues to this day.


SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...ady-to-save-nation-dark-tunnel_n_3486903.html

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more on his court case:


Egypt court: Egyptian president escaped from prison in massive 2011 jailbreak
The Ismailia Misdemeanors Appeals Court is hearing the case of a man accused of having escaped along with Mohammed Morsi from prison during the uprising that ended the rule of Hosni Mubarak.
By DPA | Jun.23, 2013 | 4:33 PM

The Muslim Brotherhood conspired with members of Hamas, Hezbollah and local militants in 2011 to break into a prison and free leaders of the organization, including President Mohammed Morsi, an Egyptian court said on Sunday.

The Ismailia Misdemeanors Appeals Court was hearing the case of a man accused of having escaped along with Morsi from Wadi Natroun prison during the uprising that ended the rule of President Hosni Mubarak.

The court, which cleared the defendant, said evidence showed that Morsi and other Muslim Brotherhood leaders had been freed thanks to an international plot involving the Palestinian militant group Hamas, the Lebanese movement Hezbollah and Egyptian militants.

Presiding judge Khalid Mahjoub asked prosecutors to "take the necessary steps" with those named in his judgment.

He also asked prosecutors to seek Interpol's assistance to have Hezbollah and Hamas leaders also freed in the mass jailbreak brought back to face Egyptian courts.

Huge numbers of prisoners, including political detainees, were freed from Egyptian jails during the 18 days of the country's 2011 revolution, in circumstances that remain unclear.

The ruling comes amid a tense political atmosphere. The opposition plans mass protests on June 30 to call for Morsi's resignation, a year after he took office.

The Tamarod, or Rebellion, activist campaign, which has called for a protest at the presidential palace, says it has collected 15 million signatures demanding the president resign. Morsi won the presidential election in June last year.

SOURCE: http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-...on-in-massive-2011-jailbreak.premium-1.531526

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in the words of the legendry jon steward ana mabahebesh atrafaa :D
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
Heard about the news today. Also read somewhere that police officials were present at the place but didn't care to stop the killing. Seems there's not much money for human right activists in covering and documenting the obvious human rights violations the Shiite minority is going through in Egypt and Bahrain. I feel a serious will driving Sunnis and Shias getting hostile to each other even more since the Arab Spring and it scares me.
 

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