Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (9 Viewers)

[Raz]

Never trust a hippie, they sell bad drugs.

I love hippies.

 

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[Zé Tahir]

What does that have to do with anything? Just because YOU worship an god who doesn't want his idols or likeness to exist, doesn't mean you other religions can't do it!

I'm trying to have a proper discussion here, but it's YOU who is resorting to mockery this time. And I certainly expected better from you, Tahir!

I didn't mock you once. Things getting too hot for you?

Where did I say other religions can't have idols? I'm just saying maybe that's why you don't believe in God.

 

[Raz]

Are you kiddin' me? There a looooooooooooooooooooooot of brainwashed adults!

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Look at barcelona's gloryhunter fans! sometimes i think that they all were brainwashed and became zombie
They have their own messiah btw

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Brother, first you said people follow a religion because they were brainwashed as children. Then, when it was pointed out to you that there are people out there that were raised as atheists and decided to follow a religion as adults you claimed that they must have some mental and psychological problems (more or less).

You have simpleton rationalising excuses for everything. You just shrug everything off like "whatever". The reality is you're initmiated of religion and so you always view it in a cynical negative light.

You are too afraid to admit that there are intelligent people out there who believe in God because they have thought about it deeply and they believe it out of rational conclusions of their own accord.

Many philosophers have and still argue for the existence of God. Are they brainwashed children or do they have some psychological issue?

I never claimed they have psychological "problems". Stop putting words into my mouth. I said a psychological need. It's just like any other humans needs. It's NORMAL. Stop labelling it as a "problem".

I view it in a negative light? Nope. Cynical, maybe. But not entirely negative.

Name these intelligent people and tell me what their 'rational' reasons for believing in a god are.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I didn't mock you once. Things getting too hot for you?

Where did I say other religions can't have idols? I'm just saying maybe that's why you don't believe in God.

Why do you conclude that?

 

[Raz]

Look at barcelona's gloryhunter fans! sometimes i think that they all were brainwashed and became zombie
They have their own messiah btw

Oh I'm sorry you missunderstood me, I was laughing at you mate. It's too much fun to see you trying to talk outside "pepe rulezzz forza russia" topic.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Oh I'm sorry you missunderstood me, I was laughing at you mate. It's too much fun to see you trying to talk outside "pepe rulezzz forza russia" topic.

moron

 

[Zé Tahir]

Why do you conclude that?

Think of this way: You grew up next to a rubber factory (Hinduism) and couldn't stand the smell (didn't like it/it didn't agree with your sense of smell). So you decided to swear off anything rubber related forever and wage a jihad against it (your current raging atheism).

I hope I'm sounding silly because that's how silly you were earlier.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I never found Hinduism to be repulsive or bad enough that I couldn't stand it. So your analogy is inaccurate.

Why is it silly if I rejected living next to the rubber factory and sought to live next to, say, an incense-sticks manufacturing factory instead??

Also, are you suggesting it would've been different had I been raised in a different religion?

 

[Golazo]

You're all going to hell.

 

[JuveJay]

I've been to Leicester, I'm ready.

 

[Golazo]

Brilliant.

 

[BetoBianconero]

I believe in god, still I'd go to hell if I died right now.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Just give up and be a rockstar then.

 

[Zé Tahir]

I never found Hinduism to be repulsive or bad enough that I couldn't stand it. So your analogy is inaccurate.

Why is it silly if I rejected living next to the rubber factory and sought to live next to, say, an incense-sticks manufacturing factory instead??

Also, are you suggesting it would've been different had I been raised in a different religion?

Why do you always digress? The point of the analogy is that you can't write something off in such a generalizing fashion as you have just because something doesn't agree with you. You probably dislike American football or don't care for it but there's a good chance you would have been obsessed with it if you grew up in the US.

I'm playing your tune here because you're psychologically analyzing why people chose to believe when it's not that simple and frankly makes you look like really ignorant.

 

[king Ale]

Its not, actually. Its the truth. One if the things you're taught by your patents as a child is religion. You trust them enough to believe everything they say. And before you know it, you ardently believe in it too. Very similar to brainwashing, except that you don't need to be broken down as you're already in s submissive and receptive state.

The only reason you continue to believe in it is because you cannot end the attachment that had grown between you and god. You also don't want to disappoint your family and your community.

We are taught many things as children both by our parents and the society but do we possess them all in our entire lives? It's not an isolated place we are living in, we sure affect the environment and we are affected by it but do we all end up living identical lives, having identical ways of thinking?

i think atheists are attention whores who have been neglected as kids, and feel victimized by a society that promised so much because they were told an omnipotent all powerful creature will always help them, but like the little loser kid in HS who dares not approach any chicks and blames the world for his lack of cojones, atheists throw tantrums here and there calling everyone around dumb and deluded because they actually have meaning and are not scared to 'live', see how that worked. We can go back and forth with the 2 bit generalizations/pseudo-explanations.

I think you just expressed your true feelings there even if it's apparently meant to be a counter move to Sheik's generalization

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Why do you always digress? The point of the analogy is that you can't write something off in such a generalizing fashion as you have just because something doesn't agree with you. You probably dislike American football or don't care for it but there's a good chance you would have been obsessed with it if you grew up in the US.

I'm playing your tune here because you're psychologically analyzing why people chose to believe when it's not that simple and frankly makes you look like really ignorant.

Even though you think there's a good chance I'd be obsessed with it, I'd probably end up hating it or not caring about it. From what I know, American football is equivalent to cricket here, and if I'm exposed to Ame. football as much as I was exposed to cricket here, I'd end up hating it. And if I was born in Italy, I'd probably hate football too. Just so you know.

Fine, perhaps I shouldn't have generalized it. But take them as the reasons I've found to be true about religion so far. You certainly cannot discount them, because for certain people, it is true.

If you really think I am ignorant, then show me what I'm ignoring so I can correct my views. Simply calling me ignorant and leaving it there doesn't help.

We are taught many things as children both by our parents and the society but do we possess them all in our entire lives? It's not an isolated place we are living in, we sure affect the environment and we are affected by it but do we all end up living identical lives, having identical ways of thinking?

Well of course we don't. But what reason do these people have to actually continue believing in it, when what is being asked by them(faith) is pretty much the opposite of our main system of belief(evidence and reasoning)?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I think you just expressed your true feelings there even if it's apparently meant to be a counter move to Sheik's generalization

thats something Martin would say my feelings? i dont have any in particular tbh but i am definitely not presumptuous enough to claim to know how a diverse group of people came to 'believe' something.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Better safe than sorry, then?