Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (7 Viewers)

[GordoDeCentral]

your points? go try em on some 5 yo

 

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[Sheik Yerbouti]

No thanks. I don't want to brainwash them.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

i am against brainwashing as much as you are, but i am more averse to assuming than you are, strange coming from someone who abhors 'belief'

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

i am against brainwashing as much as you are, but i am more averse to assuming than you are, strange coming from someone who abhors 'belief'

Abhors belief? No. Just abhor the weak reasons for beliefs.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Jeshua was zombie ;O I wonder why whole world calling him with the wrong name "jesus" ;O

 

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Its not, actually. Its the truth. One if the things you're taught by your patents as a child is religion. You trust them enough to believe everything they say. And before you know it, you ardently believe in it too. Very similar to brainwashing, except that you don't need to be broken down as you're already in s submissive and receptive state.

The only reason you continue to believe in it is because you cannot end the attachment that had grown between you and god. You also don't want to disappoint your family and your community.

That's a really simple view of the world.

How do you then explain people who were raised as atheists and end up believing in God and even following a religion in their adulthood?

 

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They strayed from the divine path.


This guy is retarded, do we all agree?

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

They strayed from the divine path.


This guy is retarded, do we all agree?

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YES!

 

[Zé Tahir]

A hippie... Everyone knows that.

You go from believer to non-believer in the span of 2 weeks and now you've joined your little buddies in mocking. Grow the fuck up.

PS: I don't give a flying fuck whether you believe or not so you can save a tirade about that. It's your sudden jump to mocking faith that I find disgusting.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That's a really simple view of the world.

How do you then explain people who were raised as atheists and end up believing in God and even following a religion in their adulthood?

Can be any number of reasons. The mental state of the people in question matters a lot. So does the general state of their lives. Perhaps there's a psychological need that these people had that religion and its tenets fulfilled, because of which they started following it. Maybe it fulfilled their need for socialising, or being part of a community, maybe they wanted to feeling of being part of something greater than them, or even a chance to have life after death.

 

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That's one funny dude.

Maybe not as funny as these guys who recently had their religion officially recongnised in Sweden http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionary_Church_of_Kopimism

I've seen members on this forum say they hate Inter but like Zanetti because he's a gentleman

 

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Can be any number of reasons. The mental state of the people in question matters a lot. So does the general state of their lives. Perhaps there's a psychological need that these people had that religion and its tenets fulfilled, because of which they started following it. Maybe it fulfilled their need for socialising, or being part of a community, maybe they wanted to feeling of being part of something greater than them, or even a chance to have life after death.

Meaning your whole child brainwashing story doesn't hold true. Everyone grows up to be an adult and can choose to follow whichever path they please.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Meaning your whole child brainwashing story doesn't hold true. Everyone grows up to be an adult and can choose to follow whichever path they please.

Are you kiddin' me? There a looooooooooooooooooooooot of brainwashed adults!

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Meaning your whole child brainwashing story doesn't hold true. Everyone grows up to be an adult and can choose to follow whichever path they please.

You go from believer to non-believer in the span of 2 weeks and now you've joined your little buddies in mocking. Grow the fuck up.

PS: I don't give a flying fuck whether you believe or not so you can save a tirade about that. It's your sudden jump to mocking faith that I find disgusting.

Easy on the mockery, Claudio.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Can be any number of reasons. The mental state of the people in question matters a lot. So does the general state of their lives. Perhaps there's a psychological need that these people had that religion and its tenets fulfilled, because of which they started following it. Maybe it fulfilled their need for socialising, or being part of a community, maybe they wanted to feeling of being part of something greater than them, or even a chance to have life after death.

Dude, you're oozing of ignorance here and it's been pointed out by several members already.

Maybe you just don't believe because you suffer from great low self esteem; you have complained about "a God" that has made you appear the way you do physically or maybe you don't believe because you grew up around idol worshipers and people who consider certain animals holy/sacred. Who knows.

 

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Are you kiddin' me? There a looooooooooooooooooooooot of brainwashed adults!

Are any atheists brainwashed?

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Are any atheists brainwashed?

Yep there a lot of radical atheists sect

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Dude, you're oozing of ignorance here and it's been pointed out by several members already.

Maybe you just don't believe because you suffer from great low self esteem; you have complained about "a God" that has made you appear the way you do physically or maybe you don't believe because you grew up around idol worshipers and people who consider certain animals holy/sacred. Who knows.

What does that have to do with anything? Just because YOU worship an god who doesn't want his idols or likeness to exist, doesn't mean you other religions can't do it!

I'm trying to have a proper discussion here, but it's YOU who is resorting to mockery this time. And I certainly expected better from you, Tahir!

 

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Easy on the mockery, Claudio.

Brother, first you said people follow a religion because they were brainwashed as children. Then, when it was pointed out to you that there are people out there that were raised as atheists and decided to follow a religion as adults you claimed that they must have some mental and psychological problems (more or less).

You have simpleton rationalising excuses for everything. You just shrug everything off like "whatever". The reality is you're initmiated of religion and so you always view it in a cynical negative light.

You are too afraid to admit that there are intelligent people out there who believe in God because they have thought about it deeply and they believe it out of rational conclusions of their own accord.

Many philosophers have and still argue for the existence of God. Are they brainwashed children or do they have some psychological issue?