Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (24 Viewers)

[Zé Tahir]

Even though you think there's a good chance I'd be obsessed with it, I'd probably end up hating it or not caring about it. From what I know, American football is equivalent to cricket here, and if I'm exposed to Ame. football as much as I was exposed to cricket here, I'd end up hating it. And if I was born in Italy, I'd probably hate football too. Just so you know.

Fine, perhaps I shouldn't have generalized it. But take them as the reasons I've found to be true about religion so far. You certainly cannot discount them, because for certain people, it is true.

If you really think I am ignorant, then show me what I'm ignoring so I can correct my views. Simply calling me ignorant and leaving it there doesn't help.

You didn't get that analogy either. You're pretty bad at this

Your generalizing was the problem from the get-go. You're free to theorize different reasons people chose to believe in different things.

And ahh...I didn't just leave it at calling you ignorant (which I didn't say, I said it makes you look that way) hence we've been going back and forth over this for a bit now

 

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[Sheik Yerbouti]

You are no fun, Tahir!

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Better safe than sorry, then?

if theres someone who doesnt play it safe here, thats me

 

[Zé Tahir]

You are no fun, Tahir!

When I was younger I could get involved in a 20 page discussion over these things but these days I don't have the stamina for it

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

When I was younger I could get involved in a 20 page discussion over these things but these days I don't have the stamina for it

No shit!

 

[Nzoric]

i think atheists are attention whores who have been neglected as kids, and feel victimized by a society that promised so much because they were told an omnipotent all powerful creature will always help them, but like the little loser kid in HS who dares not approach any chicks and blames the world for his lack of cojones, atheists throw tantrums here and there calling everyone around dumb and deluded because they actually have meaning and are not scared to 'live', see how that worked. We can go back and forth with the 2 bit generalizations/pseudo-explanations.

Where do you find ground for the "feel victimized by a society that promised so much" argument? From a guy with a fairly high level of intelligence shining through most posts, this post was pure idiocy.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Where do you find ground for the "feel victimized by a society that promised so much" argument? From a guy with a fairly high level of intelligence shining through most posts, this post was pure idiocy.

It was meant to be. To show the idiocy of my generalizations, apparently.

 

[Nzoric]

Alright, it really didn't make much sense to me that he would write something like that

 

[Golazo]

I still believe in the Greek Gods.

Hell yeahz. Zeus be trollin you all.

 

[ALC]

Mythology's the shit. So much more interesting that the Christian version.

 

[Nzoric]

The greek gods > monotheistic gods today. Atleast the Greek Gods were active and gave proof of their existence. Our gods remind me of potheads who have big potential but prefer to waste it all away on 9gag.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Hindu Gods >>> Greek Gods. It's a pity you guys know so little about them.

 

[ALC]

They're so unrealistic.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That's why they are considered as gods.

 

[Martin]

thats something Martin would say my feelings? i dont have any in particular tbh but i am definitely not presumptuous enough to claim to know how a diverse group of people came to 'believe' something.

so you're kicking our butts with your superior humility? good for you, champ

 

[Alen]

I would like to vote for both options because while I think that the "Men made God" option is absolutely correct, "God made men" could be correct too, just that in this case God could very well be a group of scientists from some other planet to which we're an anthropology experiment or something.

I mean, we can create advanced artificial life forms, we can clone and what not. Imagine what we can do in some 100-200 years. Can we also make an experiment on some planet then if we want to? Will we be God to those new inhabitants of that planet?

Evolution is cool and all, but I still find it hard to explain how one single stem cell divides and differentiate into trillions of diverse specialized cell types. That's some advanced shit which was more likely to be produced in some lab. But then again, if we go back and back and back, something had to develop out of nothing

I don't understand time very well. If I'm 32 year old on earth I read that I'd be 52 year old on Venus. But would I look like a 52 year old and would my life span be the same as it is on earth? I have no idea. But lets say that it's not the same, so maybe those who started the experiment on our planet are just a year older than they were when they started it, while millions of years passed on our planet.

Too much star trek for me, I guess.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Even if some group created us, would they be The God(s)? They must've still come from somewhere too, right? So they wouldn't exactly be the ultimate creators.

Btw, do you feel like the God of the little mafia peons?

 

[Alen]

Even if some group created us, would they be The God(s)? They must've still come from somewhere too, right? So they wouldn't exactly be the ultimate creators.

I know. That still leads to the same question. Who created our God(s)?

I'm just thinking here if we are the first creation. Since it's a big probability that in not too many centuries we can start life from zero on some planet, the question if something similar didn't happen with us should be asked. The chances that we were the first exist, but they are smaller than the chances that someone did with us what we can do with others tomorrow.
The question about the first creator and who created him still remains unanswered.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Well, I did always used to get this feeling that I was in a experiment constantly being watched and judged, and everyone else was just acting and would go back to being whatever they are when I'm not looking.

 

[ALC]

Well, I did always used to get this feeling that I was in a experiment constantly being watched and judged, and everyone else was just acting and would go back to being whatever they are when I'm not looking.

Like Truman? That's sick.

Did you guys hear about that baby that was born after being frozen as an embryo for 13 years or so? It's actually a triplet and its siblings are now teenagers. How freaky is that?