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Over time? Like it wasn't rape last night but now that I think about it. To me it's really simple, how does one sodomize you and you don't fight back, he was not beating her or held a gun to her head and would she have had the same reaction had it been joe blow the slob from around the corner.
Yes, over time. We seem to be experiencing a number of cases where the victims are recategorizing their past experiences as rape in their minds -- years later. I wouldn't necessarily call it all false memories. But it seems to be subject to similar forces.
 

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Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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Well, Swag mentioned two scenarios just before this post.
Consentual sex and rape doesn't necessarily have to be a clearcut line. Consentual sex can take a forced direction too. Perhaps that is what happened and she was wrongly councelled by her lawyers the last time around. I don't know what happened, but it's definitely not black and white and I definitely don't think it's alright to brand her a whore when there is obviously enough evidence for the Las Vegas PD to reopen their investigation.
She could have agreed to vaginal intercourse, but refused anal sex. If Ronaldo forced her into having anal sex, that would be rape. At least according to Belgian law, but I'd assume American law too.

The problem here however would be that she starts from a much weaker position. If a person has already agreed to sex, it doesn't seem too unlikely that they'd agree to anal sex too.

But, and I think this needs reminding, she is saying she didn't agree to any sex at all.

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Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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Yes, over time. We seem to be experiencing a number of cases where the victims are recategorizing their past experiences as rape in their minds -- years later. I wouldn't necessarily call it all false memories. But it seems to be subject to similar forces.
Ah false memories.. there's an entire Netflix show, the Keepers, based on nothing but false memories, and yet most viewers actually but into it.

But more to the point, greg, for rape to be rape it would have to be experienced as rape at the specific time of the facts.

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swag

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Ah false memories.. there's an entire Netflix show, the Keepers, based on nothing but false memories, and yet most viewers actually but into it.

But more to the point, greg, for rape to be rape it would have to be experienced as rape at the specific time of the facts.

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I think that is a fairer rule. The biggest challenge with that is how does it apply to child rape when children have no real comprehension about what rape is.
 

Nzoric

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What a bunch of junk, you do realize there's no way to prove one way or the other and that the jury itself will have to make that call, is she a whore or is he a rapist.
To you it's not a possibility that Ronaldo genuinely doesn't believe he raped her and that she does believe it, without being a money hungry whore? You're banalizing a complicated subject. As you always do.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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I think that is a fairer rule. The biggest challenge with that is how does it apply to child rape when children have no real comprehension about what rape is.
Well, for children there's a thing such as statutory rape anyway. More precisely the question could also be: did you want it at the time? Sometimes women seem to believe they can go back on their original opinion and not wanting it anymore after the facts is enough to call it rape. But that's utter bullshit of course.

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Seven

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To you it's not a possibility that Ronaldo genuinely doesn't believe he raped her and that she does believe it, without being a money hungry whore? You're banalizing a complicated subject. As you always do.
It is a complex issue, but she isn't presenting a complicated story here. She is saying he forcefully anally raped her while she cried no.

So either this happened or it didn't. This is a very simple case, even if there are far more complex rape cases.

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GordoDeCentral

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Yes, over time. We seem to be experiencing a number of cases where the victims are recategorizing their past experiences as rape in their minds -- years later. I wouldn't necessarily call it all false memories. But it seems to be subject to similar forces.
Yeh it's called buyers remorse, we judge a past situation with knowledge we have now, and of course victimizing yourself is a good coping mechanism but this should never be given credence especially if it used as ammo to destroy another persons life.
 

Juliano13

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It is a complex issue, but she isn't presenting a complicated story here. She is saying he forcefully anally raped her while she cried no.

So either this happened or it didn't. This is a very simple case, even if there are far more complex rape cases.

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Exactly, either it happened like she said or she's full of shit. I can't see the grey area here.
 

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