Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (55 Viewers)

[Ronn]

You said we knew. The burden of proof is on you.

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No both of us claimed, and I showed you a causal relationship. I'm yet to see yours.

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I think everyone should ignore Seven. He is looking for a debate like a religious zealot. Quoting him and answering him will only give him more confidence and validation.

The word "debate" implies some logical reasoning. This is not a debate.
I agree with your point though.

 

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[Dostoevsky]

Like I said, the tests aren't reliable.

There is so much bullshit that you guys are being fed. You act like know it alls and throw around numbers like it's nothing. The truth is you don't know the first thing about any of this.

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Dunno about others but Im trying to look at this from different angles. I was not poking you by any means. I just asked whats the situation in Belgium because its one of the cases where it looks weird compared to the others. Of course Im checking the given numbers by the government, but not because Im working on a case study, more because Im trying to figure out the overall pic and where are we at the moment and where are going out of homes aka out of state of emergancy.

I personally belive that you have a lot of valid points, it just sounds rather cruel. Others also have plenty of valid points.

Idk how it looks in other countries but we have hospitals filled 95% of the capacity if not more at the moment. We official have around 3000 infected but had we reacted slowly our hospitals would have collapsed long time ago as we wouldnt have any place where to put them, especially harder cases for the ICU since some of our hospitals dont even have good ventilation systems.

And no, I dont see this ending over night and everything going back to normal like it never happened. I think corona made a major impact on both health care and political/economic shifts that are yet to happen.

 

[Post Ironic]

Yeah, in Vo, where all 3 300 inhabitants were tested, only 3% were positive and half of them were asymptomatic.
Iceland is another good example because they tested 10.3% of country's population. Only 4.8% of the tested were positive, including the asymptomatic. If they tested everyone, these 4.8% will probably fall to 3%, as it was in Vo.

But then again, if 3% of the world population has it, isn't Seven right that we have hundreds of millions infected?

What? Iceland has targeted testing to those who are likely to have it due to symptoms, done rigorous contact tracing to test those they interacted with and then done randomized testing beyond that. Experts there suggest from the data between 0.3-0.8% of the population has it. Not 3%. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...19-small-nations-iceland-big-data/2959797001/

And contrary to the forum muppet with his loudmouth claims, they also claim the data there shows containment efforts are working, which would explain why they only have 8 deaths, and falling number of new cases.

 

[duranfj]

I need the police later. Told the dad that JJ is too big for Sarri and that he should go to Napoli instead The dad is generally friendly and we talk about Serie A sometimes but he is that victim type who records all false corner kicks in JJ's favour

So you are in the party? Why complaint?

 

[lgorTudor]

So you are in the party? Why complaint?

No, I am avoiding crowds. We had this conversation during summer mercato

 

[duranfj]

Yeah, in Vo, where all 3 300 inhabitants were tested, only 3% were positive and half of them were asymptomatic.
Iceland is another good example because they tested 10.3% of country's population. Only 4.8% of the tested were positive, including the asymptomatic. If they tested everyone, these 4.8% will probably fall to 3%, as it was in Vo.

But then again, if 3% of the world population has it, isn't Seven right that we have hundreds of millions infected?

Yep, I'm also watched the horizon with my binoculars and it was flat all the way

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

I think that's deflection at best. I always knew the US's response to this was going to be a sh*t show. First the lack of public health policy due to its insanely expensive and unevenly distributed health care system. The other being no job protections so poorer workers have to come in sick or not eat. Then throw on Trump's ego on the fire, and there is now way this was going to be anything other than an unmitigated disaster. I'm not being smug, just sad... as I would of an alcoholic who couldn't help themselves but die of liver failure.

Epidemics and pandemics are social diseases to the extent that they exploit the fissures, gaps, and failures of a society. That was so burned into my brain during the height of the AIDS crisis.

What I don't understand is how Americans commonly compare themselves to Italy saying, "Well, we have five times as many people." as if that makes it better. China has four times as many people, and even if you believe there's a massive national coverup on COVID-19 deaths there, odds are that it's still smaller than the US deaths. (You can even get that suggestion just by how the country reacted vs how the US has reacted.)

Then you compare Japan, with 1/3rd the US population and only 100 deaths ... and South Korea with about 1/7th the population and only 200 or so deaths ... why are Americans not benchmarking themselves against these nations rather than Italy? Japan and South Korea are also much nearer to China and had far less time to plan and prepare. So you can finger-point all you want about Chinese misinformation, but somehow Japan and South Korea managed it while the US is a clusterf@ck.

There's a time to look inward and ask questions of why this is.

Well like I said, we didn't handle this well at all. I've been critical of that from the beginning. We still don't have enough ppe, and we're months into this now. So much time was lost because of dumb bullshit. I don't want to comment on Japan right now because it might just now start to get really bad for them considering the news coming out, but South Korea is an example of a good response. Canada also seems decent. I would love to have a functional, competent government like that, but where does one even begin?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I have to say we've been lucky here so far. We've been on lockdown (kinda, not completely) for two weeks and we've had 113 cases and 8 deaths. 52 of the cases we acquired from cruise ships, and most of the remainder have a recent travel history. So it seems very few acquired from local spread. And I mentioned before we had tens of thousands tourists here just over a month ago for Carnival.

There have been only around 1100 tests, ridiculously low. But it doesn't appear to me to be as feared that the real numbers are much higher than the official count because you're not hearing of people getting sick and seeking treatment, or dying.

So either we've been very lucky so far or it's as I've had a feeling about, that the warmer climate help prevent the spread. Looks be the case around the rest of the world as far as I know.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

What? Iceland has targeted testing to those who are likely to have it due to symptoms, done rigorous contact tracing to test those they interacted with and then done randomized testing beyond that. Experts there suggest from the data between 0.3-0.8% of the population has it. Not 3%. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...19-small-nations-iceland-big-data/2959797001/

And contrary to the forum muppet with his loudmouth claims, they also claim the data there shows containment efforts are working, which would explain why they only have 8 deaths, and falling number of new cases.

This is the last of the personal insults in this thread, you or anyone else will get thread banned for similar behavior.

You don't like someone or their views, ignore them.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I hear that Italians will be under obligation to use masks until August.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

I think we'll begin to see at least a partial reopening of the US economy (or at least New York) within the next month. There aren't any definitive plans it sounds like, but it's been the same basic idea talked about since the beginning so it'll probably end up being a more refined version of this.

Probably going to mass test the population for antibodies, and if someone passes then they get issued a card stating so and can return back to work. So there will be a gradual resumption of normal business activities in that way.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I think we'll begin to see at least a partial reopening of the US economy (or at least New York) within the next month. There aren't any definitive plans it sounds like, but it's been the same basic idea talked about since the beginning so it'll probably end up being a more refined version of this.

Probably going to mass test the population for antibodies, and if someone passes then they get issued a card stating so and can return back to work. So there will be a gradual resumption of normal business activities in that way.

I dont expect it to be normal for quite some time. I think there will still be plenty of restrictions. For instance, I think plenty of jobs will have rules of the space between each other for 1.5m, plenty of meetings to be held online as a video call, wearing masks, restaurants having tables separated or have less tables, etc. Then gradually increase it during some period.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

This is the last of the personal insults in this thread, you or anyone else will get thread banned for similar behavior.

You don't like someone or their views, ignore them.

Haha so worried about insults and wanted to bring Zach back. Hypocrisy at its best, parceiro.

Also what you really meant was “don’t insult the guy I agree with”

It’s ok to suggest concentration camps but not to call a piece of shit a piece of shit. Do whatever you want, parceiro.

 

[Alen]

What? Iceland has targeted testing to those who are likely to have it due to symptoms, done rigorous contact tracing to test those they interacted with and then done randomized testing beyond that. Experts there suggest from the data between 0.3-0.8% of the population has it. Not 3%. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...19-small-nations-iceland-big-data/2959797001/

And contrary to the forum muppet with his loudmouth claims, they also claim the data there shows containment efforts are working, which would explain why they only have 8 deaths, and falling number of new cases.

I agree that containment efforts are working. I used the 3% in Iceland as a maximum, because in the only town where everyone was tested, they had 3% infected. Vo is in Northern Italy and the virus was spreading unnoticed for a while until they took measures. And even there it reached "only" 3%. In countries that were warned on time and took measures earlier, the percentage will be much lower.
Anyway, right now 0.5% of the population in Iceland has it (officially) and we're talking about a rich and distant island that took measures on time. I don't think that 1% of world's population getting it eventually in 2020 is an exaggeration.

 

[acmilan]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/coronavirus-red-dawn-emails-trump.html

 

[Post Ironic]

I agree that containment efforts are working. I used the 3% in Iceland as a maximum, because in the only town where everyone was tested, they had 3% infected. Vo is in Northern Italy and the virus was spreading unnoticed for a while until they took measures. And even there it reached "only" 3%. In countries that were warned on time and took measures earlier, the percentage will be much lower.
Anyway, right now 0.5% of the population in Iceland has it (officially) and we're talking about a rich and distant island that took measures on time. I don't think that 1% of world's population getting it eventually in 2020 is an exaggeration.

Iceland measures are mostly testing, contact tracing, and social distancing. They kept most everything open. But I don’t disagree with what you say here at all. I think over 1% of the world population is going to get it in 2020 for sure. Perhaps much higher. 5% even. Who knows.

He said “hundreds of millions” already have it now, which is ludicrous.

Anyways, his antics have grown boring, so done engaging with him.

 

[acmilan]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-response.html

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Haha so worried about insults and wanted to bring Zach back. Hypocrisy at its best, parceiro.

Also what you really meant was “don’t insult the guy I agree with”

It’s ok to suggest concentration camps but not to call a piece of shit a piece of shit. Do whatever you want, parceiro.

I don't have the authority to bring Zach back, unlike you im not afraid of diverging opinion, and if i deem someone(you know who you and i know it hurts ) or some idea not worthy of my time i just ignore it. I don't have to be a petulant brat acting out in a forum. So i invite you and everyone who sees me as racist/sexist/hypocritical... to just not interact with me, see how simple that is.

Now as a mod, i will not tolerate any more personal insults, it's against the rules of this place, you do whatever you want with that, parceiro.

 

[acmilan]

 

[Seven]

I dont expect it to be normal for quite some time. I think there will still be plenty of restrictions. For instance, I think plenty of jobs will have rules of the space between each other for 1.5m, plenty of meetings to be held online as a video call, wearing masks, restaurants having tables separated or have less tables, etc. Then gradually increase it during some period.

Life as we know it has effectively ended imo.

"Il vecchio mondo sta morendo. Quello nuovo tarda a comparire. E in questo chiaroscuro nascono i mostri." (Antonio Gramsci)

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