Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (633 Viewers)

[Dostoevsky]

Capacity issues, I guess.
Something that should have been taken care of by now. Hell, something that should have been taken care of back in February.




It is true.
Might have something to do with the lack of available tests. Or maybe they figure counting too much is better than counting too little?

Honestly, there must be a lot of reliable & smart people working on the situation, but so far I've haven't seen many sensible explanations. A shitload of excuses, sure, but that's about it.

Lack of available tests? Again, if I read that in my country, I'd probably let it slip by. Then how come some even weaker countries than Belgium do massive testing? It surely can't be that you were unable to buy because of the cash or because you reacted too slow and other countries bought all of them?

My only guess is that some countries bought millions of cheap Chinese tests and massively run them, despite them being 30-40% correct. Because I simply can't believe some countries do 10, 20, 30 times more tests and others not. It's a huge difference so even lack of tests doesn't make sense if we're talking about valid tests available.

 

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[Buck Fuddy]

Lack of available tests? Again, if I read that in my country, I'd probably slip by. Then how come some even weaker countries than Belgium do massive testing? It surely can't be that you were unable to buy because of the cash or because you reacted too slow and other countries bought all of them?

My only guess is that some countries bought millions of cheap Chinese tests and massively run them, despite them being 30-40% correct. Because I simply can't believe some countries do 10, 20, 30 times more tests and others not. It's a huge difference so even lack of tests doesn't make sense if we're talking about valid tests available.

I'm with you. I don't get it either.

 

[Seven]

But only after testing them for Covid-19, right? I doubt you'd count them without testing them first.

That doesn't differ from how other countries handle it then and doesn't quite explain the rather high number. We too count people who die in retirement homes and had all sorts of preconditions.

Nope. They're counted as such without testing.

In fact my girlfriend is working out a reliable test protocol right now. Testing is problematic precisely because it is so contagious. Normally they'd test about 96 samples in a plate. Until now they have had to test them individually, because the samples contaminate each other.

It's why everything that comes out regarding numbers has to be taken with a large pinch of salt. Testing has been slow and extremely unreliable.

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[Seven]

That's fucking retarded. I can't digest that's true. Had it been some shitass country I could even let it pass, but that's just... no.

Like I said, the tests aren't reliable.

There is so much bullshit that you guys are being fed. You act like know it alls and throw around numbers like it's nothing. The truth is you don't know the first thing about any of this.

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[Seven]

It's rational to think there's nothing we can do when every evidence suggests what is being done is working?

Except that it doesn't.

It just shows a natural progression of infection rates. It's meaningless. It's nothing but hubris.

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[Ronn]

Except that it doesn't.

It just shows a natural progression of infection rates. It's meaningless. It's nothing but hubris.

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The goal was always managing your healthcare capacity. And it definitely is working.

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Like I said, the tests aren't reliable.

There is so much bullshit that you guys are being fed. You act like know it alls and throw around numbers like it's nothing. The truth is you don't know the first thing about any of this.

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[Seven]

The goal was always managing your healthcare capacity. And it definitely is working.

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We don't know if it's working. We know our healthcare isn't overflooded. Those aren't necessarily the same things.

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[Ronn]

We don't know if it's working. We know our healthcare isn't overflooded. Those aren't necessarily the same things.

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When the rate of hospital admissions slow down, yeah we know. Even if we don't it's remarkably different than proclaiming that it's not working.

 

[Seven]

When the rate of hospital admissions slow down, yeah we know. Even if we don't it's remarkably different than proclaiming that it's not working.

No, we don't know. We know the rate of hospital admissions slow down. Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a false way of thinking.

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[Ronn]

No, we don't know. We know the rate of hospital admissions slow down. Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a false way of thinking.

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A virus is transmitted by contact ->you minimize contact ->Infection rate is reduced. This is not Post hoc ergo propter hoc. There is a causal relationship here. Nice try though.
And again, how can one proclaim with absolute certainty that it is NOT working?

 

[Alen]

Apparently we now have “hundreds of millions” of infected already. I mean, ~1.7 million Positive cases but according to the forum epidemiology specialist and genius we need to multiply that by like 200 to get the true number. Never mind that actual epidemiologists and experts have at most suggested that cases could be 10x higher with most suggesting 3-4x higher, or the city of Vo in Italy, where they tested everyone, showed that only around 50 percent are symptom free making it pretty hard to believe there are hundreds of millions of symptom free cases walking around lol. Somehow we need to multiply positive tests by around 200x according to the genius here and it’s impossible to contain.

Yeah, in Vo, where all 3 300 inhabitants were tested, only 3% were positive and half of them were asymptomatic.
Iceland is another good example because they tested 10.3% of country's population. Only 4.8% of the tested were positive, including the asymptomatic. If they tested everyone, these 4.8% will probably fall to 3%, as it was in Vo.

But then again, if 3% of the world population has it, isn't Seven right that we have hundreds of millions infected?

 

[Cerval]

We don't know if it's working. We know our healthcare isn't overflooded. Those aren't necessarily the same things.

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Being for a progressive return to work is fine and actually reasonable in the long run. That doesn't mean you need to go to the extent of saying all measures are useless in order to support a return to work. There's evidence that it slows down the propagation of the virus and this is needed

 

[Post Ironic]

The guy loudly proclaiming the facts to everyone, alternative facts that fly in the face of what all the actual experts are saying. That guy, saying this. I can’t even.

 

[Seven]

A virus is transmitted by contact ->you minimize contact ->Infection rate is reduced. This is not Post hoc ergo propter hoc. There is a causal relationship here. Nice try though.
And again, how can one proclaim with absolute certainty that it is NOT working?

You said we knew. The burden of proof is on you.

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[Seven]

Yeah, in Vo, where all 3 300 inhabitants were tested, only 3% were positive and half of them were asymptomatic.
Iceland is another good example because they tested 10.3% of country's population. Only 4.8% of the tested were positive, including the asymptomatic. If they tested everyone, these 4.8% will probably fall to 3%, as it was in Vo.

But then again, if 3% of the world population has it, isn't Seven right that we have hundreds of millions infected?

I am, but even basic math is too much to ask at this point.

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[kao_ray]

I think everyone should ignore Seven. He is looking for a debate like a religious zealot. Quoting him and answering him will only give him more confidence and validation.

 

[Seven]

The guy loudly proclaiming the facts to everyone, alternative facts that fly in the face of what all the actual experts are saying. That guy, saying this. I can’t even.

They're not at all different from what they are saying. It's a different response to the facts they are offering.

The truth is that they have no idea how many are infected, how many are asymptomatic and what the world will look like in six months time.

They have, all of them, made it perfectly clear that you can't do this lockdown shit indefinitely. They have also, all of them, said the virus will return. They have also, all of them, said it will return in a slightly different form and it is unclear whether we'll be immune.

There's no point in doing any of this.

It's just humanity trying to control something they have no control over.

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[lgorTudor]

Everybody spends Easter quietly at home, celebrating with their closest family at best. Except Lgor's neighbors from Naples who invited 700 relatives in trackpants, dolce&gabbana shirts and fake ray-bans to invade other people yards and hide chocolate eggs for their 1200 kids in tiny trackpants, dolce&gabbana shirts and fake little ray-bans while italian music is blasting away at 50000 dB, only drowned by their shouting

 

[DAiDEViL]

Everybody spends Easter quietly at home, celebrating with their closest family at best. Except Lgor's neighbors from Naples who invited 700 relatives in trackpants, dolce&gabbana shirts and fake ray-bans to invade other people yards and hide chocolate eggs for their 1200 kids in tiny trackpants, dolce&gabbana shirts and fake little ray-bans while italian music is blasting away at 50000 dB, only drowned by their shouting

I'd suggest you to call the police, but they prolly don't come near your hood.

 

[lgorTudor]

I'd suggest you to call the police, but they prolly don't come near your hood.

I need the police later. Told the dad that JJ is too big for Sarri and that he should go to Napoli instead The dad is generally friendly and we talk about Serie A sometimes but he is that victim type who records all false corner kicks in JJ's favour