Coronavirus (COVID-19 Outbreak) (54 Viewers)
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It’s been a real treat watching half of the forum slap him down during this epidemic. Some truly shitty takes from him lately.
It’s been a real treat watching half of the forum slap him down during this epidemic. Some truly shitty takes from him lately.
What's really tough is I'll be right in the end. We're changing our society with ad hoc measures. We haven't thought things through and it will take us years to recover.
Some changes will be for the better.
Some will not. Paranoia and fear are creating social isolation.
I get that you have some more millions that we do here and that you test like 6 times more. But we have like 75 deaths and you have 3600. And hell, I'm not even saying that we're good. I'm just surprised that a good & strong country managed to have such numbers, especially because you're not as huge as some others which are even harder to control once it spreads.
Fo shoI think that's deflection at best. I always knew the US's response to this was going to be a sh*t show. First the lack of public health policy due to its insanely expensive and unevenly distributed health care system. The other being no job protections so poorer workers have to come in sick or not eat. Then throw on Trump's ego on the fire, and there is now way this was going to be anything other than an unmitigated disaster. I'm not being smug, just sad... as I would of an alcoholic who couldn't help themselves but die of liver failure.
Epidemics and pandemics are social diseases to the extent that they exploit the fissures, gaps, and failures of a society. That was so burned into my brain during the height of the AIDS crisis.
What I don't understand is how Americans commonly compare themselves to Italy saying, "Well, we have five times as many people." as if that makes it better. China has four times as many people, and even if you believe there's a massive national coverup on COVID-19 deaths there, odds are that it's still smaller than the US deaths. (You can even get that suggestion just by how the country reacted vs how the US has reacted.)
Then you compare Japan, with 1/3rd the US population and only 100 deaths ... and South Korea with about 1/7th the population and only 200 or so deaths ... why are Americans not benchmarking themselves against these nations rather than Italy? Japan and South Korea are also much nearer to China and had far less time to plan and prepare. So you can finger-point all you want about Chinese misinformation, but somehow Japan and South Korea managed it while the US is a clusterf@ck.
There's a time to look inward and ask questions of why this is.
For many Western societies it is not very reasonable, IMO. The degree of widespread track and trace that will be required behind those simple bullet points would be a freak-out police state for what many of these societies are comfortable with. How do you feel about a government tracking your every move with a mobile phone app and emailing you when an infection is detected in your historical path, triggering you to go into self-quarantine for 14 days every time?
And the scale at which widespread testing would have to happen is something like 22 million tests a day in the US, by some predictions. That's basically 7% of the population ... every day.
I don't think anybody is really cognitively ready for what's to come to end lockdowns in many countries.
imagine being dumb as a rock and believing this. Let this spread like wildfire, infect hundreds of millions in a small period of time before we have figured out any sort of effective treatment protocol, overwhelm and collapse our hospital system, because ya know containment isn’t working to control its spread at all (which is contrary to all available data lol). I’m sure this method will be much better for the economy though! 
My wife’s nurse friend who had a fever has just been admitted to the hospital. She’s got pneumonia now. She’s 30 years old.
She’s 30 years old.
My apologies. I’m confusing you with @Fr3sh again... 
Ah, @Fre3sh ... I have visions of that boy teaching kids in the Yukon, desperately smoking the shoelaces on his Air Jordans in need of a fix...
The past few weeks has seen an unstoppable epidemic … of statistics. The flood threatens to overwhelm us all, but what do all these numbers mean? Here are eight statistics you may see, with some warnings about how much we might trust them.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-what-can-we-trust-and-what-should-we-ignore
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-what-can-we-trust-and-what-should-we-ignore
That's what I would like to know as well.
The official reason is that "our count is more complete". But I'd take that with a grain of salt, because that has been the explanation for a while now, but in the meantime they've already had to adjust the numbers on 2 different occasions because "we forgot to register some deaths'".
Another thing I would like to know is why we still don't seem to bother with testing. The situation has been going on for weeks now, yet we have carried out about 100.000 tests in total so far. That's just poor.
The official reason is that "our count is more complete". But I'd take that with a grain of salt, because that has been the explanation for a while now, but in the meantime they've already had to adjust the numbers on 2 different occasions because "we forgot to register some deaths'".
Another thing I would like to know is why we still don't seem to bother with testing. The situation has been going on for weeks now, yet we have carried out about 100.000 tests in total so far. That's just poor.
Density surely can't be the highest in Belgium to justify such numbers. Also, there's no way deaths are classified as corona unless they were tested. There either two ways to deal with the scenario 1) when a person dies while having corona, and only corona as a disease, say it's a death caused by covid 2) when a person dies while having x number of underlying diseases while also having corona, classify it as corona. Some countries from what I've heard go toward option 1, although majority picks 2. I highly doubt there's a third case, like when you visit nursing homes and find 3 people dead, to just say it was corona, as I highly doubt such would be labelled as covid. Oh and IMO it's obvious that there are some people who are going to die from covid and who were not tested, just found somewhere dead, but I think we'll see those figures only after everything passes. But right now? It just doesn't sound like something that a country of Belgium's quality would do. It's just retarded.
That sounds way too weird to be reliable lol.
Apparently, plenty of countries pick to test only those with symptoms and those who were in contact with the carriers of the disease. I still don't know why, though, as countries massively buy respirators so I doubt it's the cost of the tests. Testing massively and even those who don't have the symptoms looks way better imo. You'd just isolate more people and stop spreading it. I honestly don't know why some countries, including mine, opt for smaller scale testing since I know for sure it's not the price of the testing. Also, there are various tests. China recommended some of their best picks and we use those over here, those that worked best for them. But once corona popped up, many companies from China started making shitload of tests and sold them in millions. Those were not even used by the Chinese and it's those that countries now return as they don't provide reliable information. My guess is that some countries bought millions of those and just test massively despite them not being reliable.
That sounds way too weird to be reliable lol.
Apparently, plenty of countries pick to test only those with symptoms and those who were in contact with the carriers of the disease. I still don't know why, though, as countries massively buy respirators so I doubt it's the cost of the tests. Testing massively and even those who don't have the symptoms looks way better imo. You'd just isolate more people and stop spreading it. I honestly don't know why some countries, including mine, opt for smaller scale testing since I know for sure it's not the price of the testing. Also, there are various tests. China recommended some of their best picks and we use those over here, those that worked best for them. But once corona popped up, many companies from China started making shitload of tests and sold them in millions. Those were not even used by the Chinese and it's those that countries now return as they don't provide reliable information. My guess is that some countries bought millions of those and just test massively despite them not being reliable.
@JCK what's the situation in Sweden? I read how your hospitals got some instructions on how to handle it and how older people in some cases won't be placed on ICU and how certain groups can already be disconnected from the ICU as of now? Is that true? Seems like it's just letting people die.
Capacity issues, I guess.
Something that should have been taken care of by now. Hell, something that should have been taken care of back in February.
It is true.
Might have something to do with the lack of available tests. Or maybe they figure counting too much is better than counting too little?
Honestly, there must be a lot of reliable & smart people working on the situation, but so far I've haven't seen many sensible explanations. A shitload of excuses, sure, but that's about it.
Something that should have been taken care of by now. Hell, something that should have been taken care of back in February.
It is true.
Might have something to do with the lack of available tests. Or maybe they figure counting too much is better than counting too little?
Honestly, there must be a lot of reliable & smart people working on the situation, but so far I've haven't seen many sensible explanations. A shitload of excuses, sure, but that's about it.