[CL] Juventus - Liverpool (43 Viewers)

[Stu]

++ [ originally posted by Monkfish ] ++


Yeah, maybe I am being too harsh on the attackers about yesterdays game.

But...

I still stand by my post...for all the other games this season. DP is way too reliant on others for my liking, Zlatan has shown he can create for himself...but DP....I'm sorry to say...he just can't cut it anymore.

As for Nedved, he's only just back from injury, so his criticism is a little harsh I feel. If we had adequate backup for him then I'm sure Capello would have either subbed him or not played him so much in the last week. Again, it comes down to squad size...please let Moggi buy someone creative this summer.

The attackers take some of the blame for last night too but there was only so much they could do. As for in general, both DP and Zlatan, the latter in particular, have created chances for themselves and others on their better days but DP doesn't do this often enough and Zlatan's finishing isn't up to par. I'm confident that if we had a more creative midfield with better passers Del Piero especially would benefit a great deal. Having forwards who can create chances for themselves is wonderful and DP can still do that every now and again, but it isn't that easy when your midfield isn't capable of carrying out their supporting duties. If the service to DP was better I'm sure he would create more and Zlatan would be ripping apart defences with his physical power and skill like there's no tomorrow.

 

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[Stu]

++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++


The attackers take some of the blame for last night too but there was only so much they could do. As for in general, both DP and Zlatan, the latter in particular, have created chances for themselves and others on their better days but DP doesn't do this often enough and Zlatan's finishing isn't up to par. I'm confident that if we had a more creative midfield with better passers Del Piero especially would benefit a great deal. Having forwards who can create chances for themselves is wonderful and DP can still do that every now and again, but it isn't that easy when your midfield isn't capable of carrying out their supporting duties. If the service to DP was better I'm sure he would create more and Zlatan would be ripping apart defences with his physical power and skill like there's no tomorrow.

I forgot to talk about the Nedved part so here goes. If we had a better bench it would obviously be a lot easier for us but we did well with the 4-3-3 when Pavel was injured and given his poor form and lack of match fitness I feel we could have left him out.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Anyone else made the Connection Ivanov-Abrahamovic ? as far as blame goes, though Pool definitely gets credit, Capello takes most of it for the simple reason that players are to be blamed for gross mistakes (not doing their job) or not trying hard enough. It was obvious that the formation we put out there wasnt getting the job done and Capello, the Coach, didnt fix that. I really dont buy the idea that the lads didnt have it in them. Outside Will there are other factors or should i say limitations that hinder performence fatigue and mis-"cast" just to name a few.

 

[swag]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
It's all easy to sit back here and play "Thursday morning manager" but I think the only mistakes Capello made was fielding Olivera and stressing this "patience" nonsense. I'm not sure but I doubt that he stressed this to his team because everybody knows that patience can only get you so far.

Right on. The fatal flaw was in going in playing for the 1-0 win and nothing more. We didn't go in playing to outright win it at any cost: 2-0, 3-1, etc. It's like we wasted the entire first half just feeling out Liverpool, keeping things close and being content with that, and waiting for an opportunity to pounce. Patience is a virtue, but not when you need to score and your team hasn't proven its ability to get the opportunistic goal when needed under pressure ... say, the way Milan has.

... I just think our players started to panic and became frustrated as Liverpool shut up shop, and we obviously do not have enough firepower to breakdown teams whose mission is to sit back for a draw.

Capello takes some of the blame, however I for the most part I blame the players and Moggi 'n co.

Couldn't agree more, Andy.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Anyone else made the Connection Ivanov-Abrahamovic ? as far as blame goes, though Pool definitely gets credit, Capello takes most of it for the simple reason that players are to be blamed for gross mistakes (not doing their job) or not trying hard enough. It was obvious that the formation we put out there wasnt getting the job done and Capello, the Coach, didnt fix that. I really dont buy the idea that the lads didnt have it in them. Outside Will there are other factors or should i say limitations that hinder performence fatigue and mis-"cast" just to name a few.

 

[Bjerknes]

Ivanov-Abramovich? Hmm that sounds like a good story.

 

[Azzurri7]

++ [ originally posted by Forza AC Milan ] ++



Guys, I am really so sorry for your exit out of CL...We will try to bring Italian football back to its glory days. Do not get dissappointed! You still have a fight with us in serie A....and take into consideration that your team of this season is a new team! Capello needs a time to build a team. We are having a fresh blood coming in. I remember the first season of Carletto with us.....
Be positive guys!
FOrza Milan!

Hey Pal, Thanks for your kind post. I really wish the best for Ac Milan in the CL

 

[Azzurri7]

++ [ originally posted by DelpieroForLife ] ++


Zlatan :fero: **** him, He stupidly waste our only scoring chance....

I swear if i put my grand ma, she could have score that goal, i just don't understand how the fvck did Zlatan put the ball 80km high, if he just touch it softly......

 

[Stu]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
Of course I play football Stu. Isn't it obvious?

It's all easy to sit back here and play "Thursday morning manager" but I think the only mistakes Capello made was fielding Olivera and stressing this "patience" nonsense. I'm not sure but I doubt that he stressed this to his team because everybody knows that patience can only get you so far.

I think Capello wanted his team to play the quick passing game last night, however our players are obviously not adept at doing so. After 75 minutes we started to panic and that's when I knew we were in trouble. I doubt Capello sent our boys out to play "route 1 football" because that does not work against English teams. I just think our players started to panic and became frustrated as Liverpool shut up shop, and we obviously do not have enough firepower to breakdown teams whose mission is to sit back for a draw.

Capello takes some of the blame, however I for the most part I blame the players and Moggi 'n co.

Yeah I was pretty sure you played, just making sure.

To me it didn't look like the players even tried to play a quick passing game so I don't think Capello gave such an instruction and he should have called over the player closest to the touchline and told him to tell the team to cut out the long ball foolishness. As I've said, Capello isn't totally to blame as the midfield was shite and the squad he has at his disposal isn't as strong as I think it should be, but he was still at fault and I think we agree on that.

 

[Stu]

++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++

Right on. The fatal flaw was in going in playing for the 1-0 win and nothing more. We didn't go in playing to outright win it at any cost: 2-0, 3-1, etc. It's like we wasted the entire first half just feeling out Liverpool, keeping things close and being content with that, and waiting for an opportunity to pounce. Patience is a virtue, but not when you need to score and your team hasn't proven its ability to get the opportunistic goal when needed under pressure ... say, the way Milan has.

That's mainly Capello's fault IMHO.

 

[Azzurri7]

++ [ originally posted by RafasRed Army ] ++
I've read most of this thread and most of the thread when you were due to come to Anfield to play us Reds, and the amount of disrespect that you show is hillarious and makes you all look like fools.

You thought we were a walkover, some of you were already predicting the dates and match fact for you to play either Bayern of Chelsea.

I laugh in your general direction.

We tried to show you a hand of friendship for Heysel and you threw it back in our faces, even worse at your sh1tbox of a stadium Del Boy Alpo. Your Ultras get all high and mighty about the deaths of the 39, which we are very sorry for and wish had never happened, and we will always take our fair share of the blame, but I don't see your scumbag W@nker Ultras appologising for attacking our fans from the get go that night, rioting onto the field attacking our fans, some with sticks and gun, yes guns For fu*k sake. You think our fans are just going to stand around and take that crap you were mistaken. The stadium was a crumbling mess and our Chairman tried to get the venue changed before the match as it was unsafe. So you and the authorities have an element of blame to take for the 39 dead. so your w@nker ultras can get off their high horses and high moral ground for an excuse for revenge and go f@uck off. I had some respect for your club and and sympathy. But after these two games we have seen what you are really like, with banners like this....

And

Well we are all just lauging at you now, for your arrogance and childish behaviour. The best banner on the night was the one on the scoreboard.

Juventus 0-0 Liverpool (agg 1-2)


What makes this even more funny is that we had so many injured players, and two of our players came onto the pitch playing their first games back from injury, one for over 3 months and the other 6 months. So not only did we have a second string team, some of those playing were walking wounded, yet we made you look like a second rate team.

Once again I laugh at you and your pathetic moral and arrogant high self worth you make of yourselves. Pathetic.

Why don't you Shut the Fvck up???

 

[Stu]

++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++

I swear if i put my grand ma, she could have score that goal, i just don't understand how the fvck did Zlatan put the ball 80km high, if he just touch it softly......

It wasn't that easy considering he had to stretch and the ball neither sat up nicely for him to volley nor stayed low for him to place it but a player that receives all the accolades that Zlatan does should be doing better with chances like that. As good as he is I think he's a tad overrated.

 

[Azzurri7]

++ [ originally posted by pecker ] ++
Two men are responsible for this loss: Ivanov and CO and don Capello.
Capellos substition was needles to say idiotic. Everytime he did something we lost creativity on the field. Or how about Ivanov? 80% wrong calls or how was it? This dude would get banned from the Donald Duck cup in Sweden for he's decisions.

I thought am the only one here gonna put the blame on the Ref, They were one of the majors that fvcked Juve in the 2 Legs....

 

[Azzurri7]

++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++


It wasn't that easy considering he had to stretch and the ball neither sat up nicely for him to volley nor stayed low for him to place it but a player that receives all the accolades that Zlatan does should be doing better with chances like that. As good as he is I think he's a tad overrated.

Oh c'mon Stu, that was really easy, anybody would have scored that, I admit Zlatan is great when it's about Skills and teasing the defenders, but he's a big big fat ass 0 when it comes to last touch or Finish..

 

[Azzurri7]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++
It's the day after now and I'm all calm. I still believe Capello should be fired after this season. What he did yesterday was an utter disgrace. If you gamble and you lose, you're out. Why on earth did he have to gamble? Why didn't we attack right from the start? Why were we playing like the goal would come anyway? Why didn't we ****ing try? Why do we constantly play long balls to Zlatan who isn't even that good at them? Why don't we let Del Piero and Nedved play football? Capello might have been a great coach for other teams, but he's not the right man for Juventus. Capello loves to play football in a disgusting way, and Juventus simply does not. So bye bye, Fabio.

Amen, but i still think Capello deserve another chance, although i agree he did really stupid mistakes tonight...

 

[GordoDeCentral]

The Zlatan miss i think is irrelevant, as a football fan first and a juve diehard second Liverpool deserved to go through no matter what excuses we might come up with, though we can use this to better the squad next year.

 

[Azzurri7]

++ [ originally posted by Altair ] ++
The Zlatan miss i think is irrelevant, as a football fan first and a juve diehard second Liverpool deserved to go through no matter what excuses we might come up with, though we can use this to better the squad next year.

Nah, am not giving any excuses for last night, am just, i don't know, they keep on replayin the Chance Zlatan Missed over here, I just thought the whole game could have changed if he scored that one.

Anyhow In Life In Death Forever Juve....I fvckin Love my team no matter what.....

 

[Juve_Kosova]

++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


Nah, am not giving any excuses for last night, am just, i don't know, they keep on replayin the Chance Zlatan Missed over here, I just thought the whole game could have changed if he scored that one.

Anyhow In Life In Death Forever Juve....I fvckin Love my team no matter what.....

:thumb:

 

[Juve_Kosova]

about the zlatan mis, if u see the replay again, u can see that there was 2 defenders before zlatan, and he most have thougt that the ball would not go thru them and go to him.. imo, thats why he dident get a good leg to it, and scored! BUT, **** it now..


Forza Juventus !

 

[LFC fan]

Zlatan miss was really bad. The kid sometimes reminds me of Baros. Baros was causing all sorts of problems for Leverkusen and then after that against Everton but the guys just cannot finish. They say he needs confidence but he can run past 2 defenders, and confidence should be flying after that, but then he misses.

I cam up with a theory just off the top of my head during Euro04 which may sound wierd. I think i remember Sweden going into penalties with some team and Zlatan was up to take one...I just remembered looking at the guy and saying..."I just get nervous when lanky players step up to shoot from a dead ball. Ibrahimovic seems like he doesn't have any kind of composure" - I don't know??