[CL] Juventus - Liverpool (9 Viewers)

[GordoDeCentral]

Hi again,
In hindsight, reaching the Quarter Final of the CL isn't such a bad thing considering the depleted roster; so point to be addressed is depth in midfield and defense. Before the liverpool tie we had only let 2 goals against us, Thats credit not only to our D but also the midfield which usually controls games for us. the biggest question mark i guess is Nedved. Will he still perform super-humanly and boast his three lungs or will he rejoin us common mortals and disappear in normalcy. The later is more porbable than the former, in which case 1 player, i am afraid, will not suffice to fill those shoes. Chillieni will be back so that's a huge load off our D. IMHO we'll get a Davids style player to run up and down the field and a young Zidane/Redondo type player who has flare and is cheap. As far as Forwards, i am not giving up on trez just yet he had an off year i am sure he'll bounce back. The Joker that some seem to forget is MUTU. His signing was sheer genius on Moggi's part. I really believe that next year we will be competitive on all fronts, and we really dont need any big Name signings for the simple reason that what we need cannot be bought. The closest thing to a Zidane out there is Ronaldhino and i dont see us even thinking of getting him.

 

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[Juve_Kosova]

Crap Crap Crap ALL of u!

Its not the ****ing end of this ****ing world...

Forza Juventus !

 

[Elnur_E65]

++ [ originally posted by Juve_Kosova ] ++
Crap Crap Crap ALL of u!

Its not the ****ing end of this ****ing world...

Forza Juventus !

:thumb:

 

[swag]

32 clubs, and 31 go home losers every year. It's good to expect to win. But the fact that winning the CL is so hard is what makes it special -- regardless of how good your club is. There are no automatic winners.

 

[ADP Timers]

++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++
32 clubs, and 31 go home losers every year. It's good to expect to win. But the fact that winning the CL is so hard is what makes it special -- regardless of how good your club is. There are no automatic winners.

Good post, we made it to the last 8 out of those 32.
Made it to a level where Man U, Arsenal, Barcelona, and Real Madrid did not, and theyve all got more depth and larger squads than us.


Our D got us this far, this is true. While our strikers and midfield prevented us from going further.

 

[Elnur_E65]

In addition to that, that one moment of ultimate happyness does not come as often as many think. Think about the past ten years:

Porto
Milan
Real
Bayern
Real
Manure
Real
Dortmund
Juventus
Ajax

Except for the Dogs, teams would win the CL only once. So, guess what their fans feel like.

We must
1. Forget about what happened and look into the future
2. Consentrate on Seria A
3. Enjoy every single game our team plays

 

[Stu]

++ [ originally posted by Monkfish ] ++
It's all very well saying the forwards had no service from the midfield, that was true last night.

But what is the point of having forwards who can only perform when the rest of the team performs?

That is utterly pointless! So, if the midfield doesn't create, Juve has no attack at all?!

The attackers have to take some of the responsibility, and they have to be good enough to create chances for themselves if the midfield isn't doing so.

People seem to be saying that the attackers did all that they could, that is absolute nonsense!! These are supposedly world class strikers! If they have to rely on others to have any effect on the game then they shouldn't be at Juve.

Also, everyone says the midfield needs to support the attackers, but the attackers doing their bit would help support the midfield as well, it isn't all the midfield's fault. They both offer support to each other. Although I agree they aren't up to the standard Juve requires.

I believe Zlatan can create for himself, he just didn't last night, as for the other attackers - I don't think they can, and we need fresh blood in their place.

You have to look at the specific situation, Monkfish. Liverpool came to Turin to defend. They played with everyone bar Baros and sometimes even him behind the ball. Hyypia and Biscan were immense on the night and the midfield didn't give the forwards much of a chance of creating something by pumping long balls forward. There's no way that Del Piero can beat Hyypia or Biscan in an aerial battle so by constantly playing long balls we partially took DP out of the game on our own. I didn't say that the attackers shouldn't be able to do anything on their own. IMO DP and Zlatan tried last night but the service just wasn't good enough. The midfielders didn't play enough quality balls into feet or space. No one was incisive or creative and this made the forwards' jobs exceedingly difficult. If the service was bad but Liverpool were coming at us then that's a completely different story, but not only was the service poor, Liverpool had everyone behind the ball. I don't care how good a dribbler Zlatan is, how strong he is, or how technically sublime Del Piero is, they couldn't do much with the service they got last night. It's basic knowledge that if the players supporting the attackers don't do what they can to get them the ball regularly or in good positions then you're not going to create a lot of chances.

 

[Bjerknes]

I concur with Stuart on this occasion. There is only so little our forwards can do with three defenders around them and pretty much zero service.

 

[Stu]

++ [ originally posted by pecker ] ++
Two men are responsible for this loss: Ivanov and CO and don Capello.
Capellos substition was needles to say idiotic. Everytime he did something we lost creativity on the field. Or how about Ivanov? 80% wrong calls or how was it? This dude would get banned from the Donald Duck cup in Sweden for he's decisions.

I think we can all agree that Capello's decisions in the second leg were rather poor. To tell the honest to God truth I'm not a great fan of his but even the Capello diehards have to admit that Don Fabio was at fault this time round.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++


I think we can all agree that Capello's decisions in the second leg were rather poor. To tell the honest to God truth I'm not a great fan of his but even the Capello diehards have to admit that Don Fabio was at fault this time round.

I'm not a Capello die-hard, I just hate it when managers recieve all the blame like this.

Just wondering Stu, what else would have Capello done? I mean he sent out all the resources he had, however the players did not do their part.

I would have probably sent the same formation out on the pitch yesterday myself. Although I would not have stressed patience, however I'm sure Fabio knows did not stress it all the way through the match. What would you have done differently Stu?

 

[Seven]

It's the day after now and I'm all calm. I still believe Capello should be fired after this season. What he did yesterday was an utter disgrace. If you gamble and you lose, you're out. Why on earth did he have to gamble? Why didn't we attack right from the start? Why were we playing like the goal would come anyway? Why didn't we ****ing try? Why do we constantly play long balls to Zlatan who isn't even that good at them? Why don't we let Del Piero and Nedved play football? Capello might have been a great coach for other teams, but he's not the right man for Juventus. Capello loves to play football in a disgusting way, and Juventus simply does not. So bye bye, Fabio.

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


I'm not a Capello die-hard, I just hate it when managers recieve all the blame like this.

Just wondering Stu, what else would have Capello done? I mean he sent out all the resources he had, however the players did not do their part.

I would have probably sent the same formation out on the pitch yesterday myself. Although I would not have stressed patience, however I'm sure Fabio knows did not stress it all the way through the match. What would you have done differently Stu?

Perhaps finishing off the job in Liverpool?

 

[Bjerknes]

Alright Seven. Let's become another Internazionale and go through coach after coach because of one unsuccessful season. Real great.

 

[Dominic]

I blame it on Capello's decision of bringing Nedved back. Nedved should not have started in the first leg, had we stuck to the 4-3-3 we would've had more of a chance of getting a result.
Nedved still wasn't ready for the second leg, and we had the chance to repair the damage of the first match by returning to the 4-3-3.
But NO, Capello just had to play Nedved. He at least should have started him from the bench as Nedved clearly isn't matchfit yet.

What an utter deception this match was...

 

[Azzurri7]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
I cannot believe that I actually thought we hade a glimmer of hope of doing something in this years Champions League. I mean what got into me? We lack quality all over the pitch, and when there are so many injuries during the season it's pretty much hopeless when we have to bring in a player like Olivera to sure up the midfield. If Moggi really believes we have a sufficient sqaud then he might as well just shoot himself because it's clear as day we don't have a sufficient sqaud. I concur strongly with Tom that we need wholesale changes in the Summer. If not, we will just fvcking suck. I'm tired of having to watch a fvcking Milan second sqaud here at Juventus.

As for the match it's obvious we did not show enough urgency and were complacent for most of the time. I was thinking before the match "what if we will have not scored by the 75th minute?" It's pretty obvious my worst nightmare came true because if we could not have scored before that mark, how will we score in the last 15 minutes with all Pool players on the defensive? Pathetic.

We basically tried to beat an English side at their own SHITE game, trying to play KICKBALL all the fvcking match, lofting the ball up to the forwards. How in the hell are we going to beat a team that faces long balls every match with long balls of our own? Just does not fvcking work. I feel ashamed of this Juventus because I talk so much crap about the English game and my side resorted to such play tonight. Really a sad day.

Buffon played well for what it's worth.

Thuram was not that good and made some marking mistakes, especially against set pieces again. We need a replacement for him.

Montero is just utter crap. Thank you Moggi for giving away Tudor.

Cannavaro was the only defender playing well tonight, and he's showing that Juventus only has one world class defender.

Zambrotta made some great runs and was the only midfielder doing something out there tonight. He actually showed some urgency.

Emerson was poor and he did not back up the shite he talked before the match. Brazilians should just shut the fvck up and play their game.

Olivera is a useless waste of space who gives the ball away as frequently as Blasi. Not Juventus quality.

Nedved was extremely poor and there goes his chance at the Champions League. Very very sad ending to his great career; injuries have finished him off. :down:

Ibrahimovic was playing well however he did receive any service tonight. Liverpool were marking him closely and there is only so much you can do without proper service.

Del Piero was giving his all but again the midfield didn't give him anything tonight.

Zalayeta came on and didn't do much.

Appiah....is just evidence how poor our bench is. Dhorasoo of Milan is 10 times the player Appiah is.

This season basically ended tonight. However, there's always next year if Moggi does his homework. This side needs new blood and we must rebuild. Our Champions League hopes are down the drain for the next year at least.

Forza Juve.

Andy, i couldn't agree more with your post.

This is really really really sad:down:, I know i have to go on, but maybe because i gave too much hope am feeling like this, I couldn't sleep last night, and yeah you may laugh at me, i had tears like little baby..

I just can't understand the way they played, Camoranesi,Ibra,Dp,Olivera,Zalayeta, FFS WE ONLY NEEDED 1 GOAL, ONLY 1....:down:

Oh well, I really don't know what to say,

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


Andy, i couldn't agree more with your post.

This is really really really sad:down:, I know i have to go on, but maybe because i gave too much hope am feeling like this, I couldn't sleep last night, and yeah you may laugh at me, i had tears like little baby..

I just can't understand the way they played, Camoranesi,Ibra,Dp,Olivera,Zalayeta, FFS WE ONLY NEEDED 1 GOAL, ONLY 1....:down:

Oh well, I really don't know what to say,

I feel your pain man. I felt more rage than I had in while after the final whistle last night.

 

[Stu]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++

I'm not a Capello die-hard, I just hate it when managers recieve all the blame like this.

Just wondering Stu, what else would have Capello done? I mean he sent out all the resources he had, however the players did not do their part.

I would have probably sent the same formation out on the pitch yesterday myself. Although I would not have stressed patience, however I'm sure Fabio knows did not stress it all the way through the match. What would you have done differently Stu?

For starters I wouldn't have given Montero or Olivera the nod. I wouldn't have started Nedved either as he hasn't been at all good since returning while Pessotto made a difference in the first leg. 4-3-3 would've been the system for me with Biri at RB, Pesso in midfield and Zala, DP and Zlatan upfront. The mentality was all wrong. Even if Capello didn't stress patience throughout the whole game which I'm sure he didn't, we should have been a lot more urgent in the first half. We were far too casual and played in a don't carish manner. The coach has to do something about this sort of thing. Then there's the long ball shit. It was evident that the players ran out of ideas and resorted to long balls but there should have been a much more effective game plan. True, it's easy to say this in hindsight, but any manager with half a brain knows that playing route one football isn't the way to beat that particular Liverpool team, not with the likes of Carragher, Hyypia and Biscan. IIRC you play football yourself so you would know that prior to a big game when you have time to prepare like Juve did you plan out what you're going to do and how you're going to play your football. If it doesn't go as planned then you try something else but hopeful long passes isn't the answer. Obviously a good set of the blame falls on the players, that's a certainty, but Capello should have instilled more urgency in the side. We played like if the goal was going to come regardless of what we did and it's the coach's job to do something about that. Why on earth was the tempo so slow? Quite contrary to some of my school mates' beliefs, it wasn't a defending masterclass on Liverpool's part, we made it too damn easy for them and you know that.

 

[Stu]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++
It's the day after now and I'm all calm. I still believe Capello should be fired after this season. What he did yesterday was an utter disgrace. If you gamble and you lose, you're out. Why on earth did he have to gamble? Why didn't we attack right from the start? Why were we playing like the goal would come anyway? Why didn't we ****ing try? Why do we constantly play long balls to Zlatan who isn't even that good at them? Why don't we let Del Piero and Nedved play football? Capello might have been a great coach for other teams, but he's not the right man for Juventus. Capello loves to play football in a disgusting way, and Juventus simply does not. So bye bye, Fabio.

I certainly agree that Capello needs to do more to get Nedved, Del Piero and Ibrahimovic involved in this type of match and all matches in general so playing route one football was quite frankly retarded. We need to play the ball quickly into feet and allow Neddy, DP and Zlatan to do their thing. The way we play is pathetically depressing but I wouldn't axe Capello just yet. Even if we finish the season trophyless, which we might not, Capello hasn't done a bad job, not bad at all. I desperately hope that we change the way we play and Capello better had realise this, but I wouldn't give up on him just yet. Remember the football his Roma side played last season? Wonderful stuff.

 

[Monkfish]

++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++


You have to look at the specific situation, Monkfish. Liverpool came to Turin to defend. They played with everyone bar Baros and sometimes even him behind the ball. Hyypia and Biscan were immense on the night and the midfield didn't give the forwards much of a chance of creating something by pumping long balls forward. There's no way that Del Piero can beat Hyypia or Biscan in an aerial battle so by constantly playing long balls we partially took DP out of the game on our own. I didn't say that the attackers shouldn't be able to do anything on their own. IMO DP and Zlatan tried last night but the service just wasn't good enough. The midfielders didn't play enough quality balls into feet or space. No one was incisive or creative and this made the forwards' jobs exceedingly difficult. If the service was bad but Liverpool were coming at us then that's a completely different story, but not only was the service poor, Liverpool had everyone behind the ball. I don't care how good a dribbler Zlatan is, how strong he is, or how technically sublime Del Piero is, they couldn't do much with the service they got last night. It's basic knowledge that if the players supporting the attackers don't do what they can to get them the ball regularly or in good positions then you're not going to create a lot of chances.

Yeah, maybe I am being too harsh on the attackers about yesterdays game.

But...

I still stand by my post...for all the other games this season. DP is way too reliant on others for my liking, Zlatan has shown he can create for himself...but DP....I'm sorry to say...he just can't cut it anymore.

As for Nedved, he's only just back from injury, so his criticism is a little harsh I feel. If we had adequate backup for him then I'm sure Capello would have either subbed him or not played him so much in the last week. Again, it comes down to squad size...please let Moggi buy someone creative this summer.

 

[Bjerknes]

Of course I play football Stu. Isn't it obvious?

It's all easy to sit back here and play "Thursday morning manager" but I think the only mistakes Capello made was fielding Olivera and stressing this "patience" nonsense. I'm not sure but I doubt that he stressed this to his team because everybody knows that patience can only get you so far.

I think Capello wanted his team to play the quick passing game last night, however our players are obviously not adept at doing so. After 75 minutes we started to panic and that's when I knew we were in trouble. I doubt Capello sent our boys out to play "route 1 football" because that does not work against English teams. I just think our players started to panic and became frustrated as Liverpool shut up shop, and we obviously do not have enough firepower to breakdown teams whose mission is to sit back for a draw.

Capello takes some of the blame, however I for the most part I blame the players and Moggi 'n co.