I never said Allegri fails more than he succeeds. I also never said he is not a great coach. Saying he doesnt surpass expectations as often as Conte and Simeone do is not the same as saying he is poor. If I considered them to be the minimum standard of being a top coach, then there wouldnt be any other top coaches. To me they are the highest over achievers not the lowest.
both overachieved in 2 seasons, Simeone in 14 and 16 and Conte in 12 and now. other than that, when else? finishing 3rd in LA Liga with the (by far) 3rd strongest squad is no overachievement. going out in CL QF with a top8 team is no overachievement. so 2 seasons in which Simeone overacheieved when he won La Liga and got them to CL final (the only top teams he beat was the worst Barca 2009-now and a Chelsea that had Mourinho for few months only) and last seasons CL run over Barca and Bayern (thanks to clueless Pep and all the luck of this world). Conte when he won the scudetto with a top3 team in the league (and no CL football) and now with Chelsea (im not following EPL but they are
what, top5 name wise? cant be lower than 5 for sure). certainly no miracles but simply overachievements that happen more often than you think.
As for Atletico, there is no doubt their management is brilliant. But Simeone is getting the absolute maximum out of that squad. If Allegri's best achievement is reaching the final with us, Simeone did that twice with a lesser team, and a harder route to the final while staying neck to neck with Madrid and Barca in the league.
Simeone is coaching Atletico for 5 seasons, Allegri is here for 2 seasons, so unfair bringing up number of CL finals. a fair comparation would be looking at what they did since Allegri took over Juve, so 1 CL final each with similar amount of money spent and meeting expectations in the league (3rd palce for ATM, 1st place for us). when Allegri came we just got back from a season in which we ended in EL SF. with Morata, Pereyra, Evra and Romulo as the main signings he transformed the team into a CL finalist (could and should have been winners if Pogba got that penalty). winning the scudetto was nothing spectacular obviously as it was expected from us to do so. still, if you go back to some threads before both his seasons here, youd see people doubting us winning the title (an argument you like bringing up often) and if you go to November 2015 youd see people already gave up on us winning the scudetto when we were 12 pts off top (were you one of them, cant remember?). how do you call that?
Also, you can't criticize Simeone for ugly tactical football when you are a Juve fan. We generally arent an attractive football team.. and this season we took the ugliness and boredom to a new level. Simeone does ugly football more effectively than we do and with a lesser squad. And again that doesnt mean that he is God and Allegri is shit.
im not. and what exactly is "ugly football" and how often do we play it?
And by the way I didnt start liking Conte after he left. I was a huge fan since his first season with us and was disappointed when he left. Also, my view of Allegri has radically improved since he joined us not the other way around.
yeah it doesent matter when you became a Conte fan, im not the one accusing you of such things either, others did that. i like both coaches but dont like underrating Allegri and overrating Conte which some people (not necessarily you) like to do
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