Yes you remain loyal to a club as long as they conduct themselves well. Juventus have not, it does not matter if others were doing the same thing, we are a bad bad club, real bad. Anyways all crap aside, what has Totti got to do with it? Totti is paid handsomely to play for his hometown club, treated as a king no matter what he does and he knows that deep down he won't be as good if he goes somewhere else, won't get as much reverence anyways so why should he leave? If you are gonna give examples, think before you spout out stuff. Loyalty is not the issue right now , its how much you love the club as we do not deserve loyalty. Personally, I know if i was in the players' shoes, unless i knew Moggi was manipulating results when it was actually happening, then no way would i stay otherwise i will just be a hypocrite for leaving. All those saying its what Thuram said and not his wanting to leave, all i gotta ask you is , did you conduct the interview with him? If not how do you know he used the exact words he is alleged to have used and in what context