Andrea "Il Bruco Brutto" Agnelli (103 Viewers)

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Agnelli's actions are way worse. Forget his supposed friendship with Ceferin. He was president of ECA and screwed over most of the members while supposedly working in tbeir best interest the whole time.
He approved the new format as president of ECA, which probably majority of the members approved for as well, so he did his job as president there. Its not on him to accept or reject something like that, hes simply acting as representative of european clubs, so he approved the format on their behalf. But he created a new league as president of Juventus together with 11 other presidents, a separate matter from ECA/UEFA negotiations, which he had all right to do. And he resigned from ECA in the processs.

If he gave Ceferin his word and then voted against that shit, despite the backing of majority members, that would have been backstabbing
 

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PhRoZeN

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Mar 29, 2006
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You get what you sew. Agnelli backstabbed Cefrin, EPL clubs backstabbed him. It's business in the end for these clubs.

The point is that they should set it up as Continental or EU league without the British and invite only afterwards. If they don't join, the league continues.
It would take some doing convincing the french and Germans. They didn't accept first time, I doubt they'll even consider again.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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As much as i would love that, he's too nice to be a president. We need someone ruthless, a decision-maker amongst the many qualities.
Where is this assumption coming from?
He fucked Palladino up good that one time when he needed to.
Overall, he was a legendary leader as a player. Not to mention his impecible reputation and dignity.
Half of a president's job is being respected and liked IMO.
 
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sgjuveboy

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Oct 31, 2012
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Referees with no criminal records? I don’t understand. Has this been an issue thus far?
I was hoping that these greedy agents were supposed to have been muzzled in the SL.
The racist ref at psg recently, turns out to be involved in kidnapping crime twelve years ago

The ref that officiated our final with Barca, turns out to be a customer to child prostitution

The ref that officiated Italy vs Korea turned out being largely in debt to cartel Colombia.

The list just goes on....

Uefa has been hiring people like these for refs, and making the refereeing badge scandalously easy to get. 20USD and a few questionnaire will grant you that badge. After that, you are selected based on how willing are you to turn results in Uefa favor.

So as much as ESL can be seen as making the rich richer, uefa has by far been the most greedy scandalous footballing body.
 

Fab Fragment

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Dec 22, 2018
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Its amazing how many times we have been unfairly penalized in Europe. And its almost every year over the past 10 years or so.

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Having said that, we haven't helped ourselves either.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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I just thought about something. Imagine the mayhem that would have unfold yesterday on our stadium if fans were present on the stadium.
The better thought would be imagine if they announced this in peak covid when cl was in doubt, and they offer tournament for free viewing in youtube because they care about fans and want to offer them something while they are locked down.
 

Strickland

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May 17, 2019
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The racist ref at psg recently, turns out to be involved in kidnapping crime twelve years ago

The ref that officiated our final with Barca, turns out to be a customer to child prostitution

The ref that officiated Italy vs Korea turned out being largely in debt to cartel Colombia.

The list just goes on....

Uefa has been hiring people like these for refs, and making the refereeing badge scandalously easy to get. 20USD and a few questionnaire will grant you that badge. After that, you are selected based on how willing are you to turn results in Uefa favor.

So as much as ESL can be seen as making the rich richer, uefa has by far been the most greedy scandalous footballing body.
That's hardly correct. In most countries there're at least 3-4 tiers of ref categories you have to go through, refereeing youths and lower leagues, taking abuse from parents and the semi-professional mechanic-footballers etc. Once you go through that (it takes at least a year or two even in a small footballing country, let alone a big one), you get to ref the higher domestic leagues, where, if you prove yourself, after some time (again, at least a year or two) you'll get promoted to UEFA category, meaning you'll get to ref EL/CL games.

It's way easier than becoming a professional footballer, but it's also way less rewarding. For sure there've been corrupt refs over the years, possibly even bribed by FIFA / UEFA (although FIFA sounds more likely, they're the dirtier org between the two imo, most of UEFAs corruption problems are linked with FIFA), but I don't think any of the corrupt refs started out in a U12 futsal game with the ambition of being dirty on the big stage, it's a very long con :D
 
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sgjuveboy

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Oct 31, 2012
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That's hardly correct. In most countries there're at least 3-4 tiers of ref categories you have to go through, refereeing youths and lower leagues, taking abuse from parents and the semi-professional mechanic-footballers etc. Once you go through that (it takes at least a year or two even in a small footballing country, let alone a big one), you get to ref the higher domestic leagues, where, if you prove yourself, after some time (again, at least a year or two) you'll get promoted to UEFA category, meaning you'll get to ref EL/CL games.

It's way easier than becoming a professional footballer, but it's also way less rewarding. For sure there've been corrupt refs over the years, possibly even bribed by FIFA / UEFA (although FIFA sounds more likely, they're the dirtier org between the two imo, most of UEFAs corruption problems are linked with FIFA), but I don't think any of the corrupt refs started out in a U12 futsal game with the ambition of being dirty on the big stage, it's a very long con :D

Ahaha do you honestly believe those above? That is just the guideline that they put in websites. I have a nephew that plays for CSKA Moscow U-12, and one of the ref for one of the games was caught filming kids changing room. Turns out he had child molestation records. Because of that, association had to transfer him to refereeing some low profile champions league group stage games.

That is how you get promoted to ref champions league games. You molest a kid.
 

Strickland

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May 17, 2019
5,859
Ahaha do you honestly believe those above? That is just the guideline that they put in websites. I have a nephew that plays for CSKA Moscow U-12, and one of the ref for one of the games was caught filming kids changing room. Turns out he had child molestation records. Because of that, association had to transfer him to refereeing some low profile champions league group stage games.

That is how you get promoted to ref champions league games. You molest a kid.
Anything is possible in mother Russia :D
 

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