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Cronios

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@Jasp:

One starter more or less would achieve nothing more or less in this season,
but the collective addition of stars can achieve more in the future.
We are supposedly building up a competitive team for the future, we should start building up this team, by adding one or two stars per season, the more time we waste, the more we are moving away from that goal!

Make no mistake, performance =/= managerial planning.
The on field performance is affected by the managerial planning, but it is only partially affected by that. Form, determination, injuries, tactical choices, ref intervention and countless other parameters affect the performance in the end.
However the accumulated managerial choices have a great effect through time, because they actually form the main parameters of our potential, as they act as guidelines.

For ex, if we keep adding some very limited players on some positions(defense) and some very expensive players on some others (offense).
-We are bound to face some balance issues that need to be countered and limit our tactical choices (like sacrificing the amount of offensive wise players from our midfield, to support our weak defense)
-Face internal issues due to competition (the Treze incident is only the tip of the iceberg, imagine what would have been if he was available during this season, or the Cassano-DP inferno next season)
-Be forced to tolerate use inferior material (Grygera, Molinaro, Marchionni) due to lack of first rate choices in some places, whilst sacrificing first rate choices on the bench far more superior to them (Treze+Iaquinta+Giovinco >>> Grygera, Moli+Marchionni quality wise)
-Make the construction of a strong team, competitive at every line nearly impossible. Because we wont be able to support wages for very expensive forwards, very expensive sub forwards, expensive midfielders, expensive midfielders and sub midfielders, cheap defenders AND expensive quality defenders. Even the old Juve couldnt afford that, let alone this one, who is far from optimal and doesnt have any prime income due the inability to compete with the best and win titles, because of each weakness int the starting eleven...

1) we could very well have enough depth, adding the same amount of youngsters but with extended role (ex more chances for Giovinco and DC) or even increase amount the amount youngsters in our team. But at this year, not even this was necessary, we could should just bring the same amount of players we brought, but for different positions, preferable the positions we suffer from starters issues!

2)Since we were able to acquire someone as good and expensive as Amauri, that speak by itself about the amount of options we had. The Italian market and the world market provide an unlimited source of players to choose from. The point is that we were never really interested on them because we had other priorities.
At this year, we have shown that we the potential to compete at a high level (maybe not the highest but much better than average), the Juventus jersey still holds some prestige with it, the presence of our remaining champions to give an added motive and we also had the CL temptation with our side. We had no excuses this time, our choices were ours...

A this year we have the same if not even better choices and almost no more excuses left, so i expect us to start showing some promise...
And i dont mean performance wise, i dont mind if we win nothing for the 2009-2010 season either, but i expect us to come a step closer to competitive squad, almost full with competitive players at every line and with some more addition in the next couple of year, a squad that would have some realistic chances to claim a title!
If we were adding two starters this year and two at this summer, we could have already been there, but its better late than never...
Hopefully we will fix our wings and fullbacks in two seasons from now!!

Dont get me wrong.
I am not expecting any miracles here and i am not expecting two 30 mil players/season either. What i am expecting to see is free forwards at Mellberg's quality as depth for our front line and some expensive starters at Amauri's quality at defense. With the same amount of youngsters as added depth. No need to sacrifice our depth number, or spending more money, these are not valid excuses any more, they were last year, but not anymore.
I admit that i would sacrifice the amount of subbers like Almiron, Tiago, Stendardo and Iaquinta for the half amount of better players and also for an extended role to our youngsters
And i am convinced that it wouldnt have any effect on our performances. Since their role was marginal anyway. But these are old news.
This year we brought 4 youngsters one free player to be used as sub and 2 expensive subbers.
I would prefer 4 youngsters, one free player to be used as sub and 2 expensive starters (Amauri eventually turned out to be a starter, but only by converting a quality starter into a sub, aka Treze, so the effect is the same in the long run, when Treze returns)
that would turn two of our current 3 low quality starters (like Marchionni, Moli and Grygera) into subs.
There is no less loss of players here, just an increase of quality starters and a decrease of quality subbers.

And Jack:, i cant know that,(if they will eventually decide to invest on our defense, rather than keep wasting our limited resources to stacked up forward line) but their behavior and choices of the past indicate that.
I hope that they will change that, i really do,
if they do, i promise to praise this board's decision and its effects during their season!:angel:
 

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Alen

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But how does Cronios know that we will not pay more attention to the defence?
He doesn't know this for sure. But our directors keep saying that our priority is a Nedved replacement and they admitted that we're seriously interested in Cassano. In both cases, we're not talking about the defense.
That's why Cron says that the defense isn't a priority according to the leaders of our team.
I must admit that Cron's assumption is very logical, but it still doesn't mean that we surely won't strenghten the defense with quality player(s) this summer.
 

Cronios

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He doesn't know this for sure. But our directors keep saying that our priority is a Nedved replacement and they admitted that we're seriously interested in Cassano. In both cases, we're not talking about the defense.
That's why Cron says that the defense isn't a priority according to the leaders of our team.
I must admit that Cron's assumption is very logical, but it still doesn't mean that we surely won't strenghten the defense with quality player(s) this summer.
Exactly and you may also add the lack of interest on quality defenders,
our supposed interest on mediocre to bellow average cheap defenders,
that would logically negate the interest on quality and expensive ones.
The admitted fact from our board, that we are not going to spend enough cash to sign many top quality players and if our priorities are already set away from our defense, our interest and chances to get them are drastically decreased, for many reasons!
And the support our coach and board give to our defenders, by praising them and only admit the need for forwards and midfielders!
They never debated the acquisition of a quality defender, at least for the past 2 seasons. They will hopefully will this season!
If they dont, you know the reason of my future bashing, if they will, they will gain my future praising for that!
I wont disagree with them no matter what, i have no reason to do that! And i will praise them for their choice, even if we dont get favorable performances due to reasons, other than managerial decisions!
 

sateeh

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Cron, i don't think we will be buying a top quality CB this summer so you can ease your concerns and starting releasing some of that anger bit by bit until next september or even january if you like.

I have a feeling we'll get a right back though.
 

Jasp

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Make no mistake, performance =/= managerial planning.
The on field performance is affected by the managerial planning, but it is only partially affected by that. Form, determination, injuries, tactical choices, ref intervention and countless other parameters affect the performance in the end.
However the accumulated managerial choices have a great effect through time, because they actually form the main parameters of our potential, as they act as guidelines.
I agree. BUT i think it woukd be wrong to say that we havent used and benefited for the depth of our squad this season. I think most of our players performed to expectations, so I think it would be fair to give the board credit for having the squad we have. I could be luck, but I give them the benefit of the doubt.

I think we all agree, the directors and everyone in here, that we should buy stars, which is what i think will happen. I also agree that we should not buy attackers, the only problem here, is that they might feel they have to snatch cassano now, because one way or another he is prob leaving samp this season. And you have to act when the possibilities are there. Im torn in the cassano question, but I dont blame to for feeling they have to act on it. Imagin if Inter bought him and he had 7 brilliant years there, then we would bash them for letting the opportunity go.

I say two signings this summer. two for wingers or one winger and one defender. Then trade and do whatever with squad players just keep the depth intact.

And if they buy lending out ekdal, can get first option on kjaer the next season, then secco might just be a new moggi :agree:
 

Cronios

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Cron, i don't think we will be buying a top quality CB this summer so you can ease your concerns and starting releasing some of that anger bit by bit until next september or even january if you like.

I have a feeling we'll get a right back though.
An RB and Criscito is realistically the best i can hope for anyway!
But i see this necessity as of a higher one that acquiring Cassano
and i also believe that between this priority and Cassano there are also other priorities, Neddy's replacement or a decent back up to Giovinco if he is preferred for the LM role and a permanent RM replacement and the conversion of the unreliable old Camo into a sub. Esp if we keep the 4-4-2
Playing with the very limited Grygera and crippled Marchionni for one more year is unacceptable. We gave Zebina and Camo this year to return, but they didnt, it time to replace them. I can accept that we dont have the available funds to replace them all within a years time and i am ready to wait for more transfer windows until we raise the necessary funds for those acquisition. But i cannot accept that we are throwing these money only because we want to convert DP into a sub right away, off load Iaquinta for a random sum and undermine Giovinco's future by acquiring Cassano. I think that one between DP or Treze will be fit to partner Amauri next year and Iaquinta and Giovinco can fill the gaps between their injuries/suspensions. There is not an immediate need to add one more expensive forward in the expense of our issues in the wings.
I am not demanding all the problems to be solved immediately, but i do demand to respect the priority and minimize side steps!
I agree. BUT i think it woukd be wrong to say that we havent used and benefited for the depth of our squad this season. I think most of our players performed to expectations, so I think it would be fair to give the board credit for having the squad we have. I could be luck, but I give them the benefit of the doubt.

I think we all agree, the directors and everyone in here, that we should buy stars, which is what i think will happen. I also agree that we should not buy attackers, the only problem here, is that they might feel they have to snatch cassano now, because one way or another he is prob leaving samp this season. And you have to act when the possibilities are there. Im torn in the cassano question, but I dont blame to for feeling they have to act on it. Imagin if Inter bought him and he had 7 brilliant years there, then we would bash them for letting the opportunity go.

I say two signings this summer. two for wingers or one winger and one defender. Then trade and do whatever with squad players just keep the depth intact.

And if they buy lending out ekdal, can get first option on kjaer the next season, then secco might just be a new moggi :agree:
In the long run, our acquisitions added little to nothing to our team, IMO.
Do not mention our youngsters, because they were coming anyway, their huge talents/value and their contracts made by the previous board imposed their presence here and IMO if any, they were under-appreciated by this board, because they were not meant to be used as first rate subs choices, rather than marginally usable depth players, because they really considered to sell them on the Amauri deal and because the planning and acquisition of new depth players didnt calculate their presence in the team and long term plans (Marchisio and Poulsen duo and probably the future Cassano Giovinco duo).
Amauri helped our team and will also become a part of our future competitive team. But in an expense of one of our champion starters, which is not bad, because we will have to replace them in the future anyway. But that would turn them into subs as soon as the new comers arrive. And since we had in mine to acquire Amauri as Treze's successor and Cassano as DP's, then why spend money on an extra subber (Iaquinta) and besides spending money for a position which was bound to be taken right on the next year,it makes no sense in the long run, we also sacrificed the acquisition of a better starter that would have more changes to become a piece of this competitive team in the future. EX for the money we spent on Iaquinta, we could have bought Milito instead of Andrade and Alonso instead of Tiago or Sissoko instead of Almiron. Thus avoiding the unnecessary risks that forced us to pay double for the same position, still forcing us to pay double for the salaries of the players we are not capable of selling because we are tied of their contracts.
You see how one choice can affect so much of our future situation?
I was opposed to this choice and i asked that instead if Iaquinta we should rather, buy better players because the ones we selected even if they wouldnt be proved as catastrophical as they actually have been proved, they were not talented or reliable enough to be a part of the future competitive Juve anyway.
Thats why i asked for less and more expensive/reliable/promising players, not because i wanted bigger names that would add more prestige and momentary gain. I asked for more Sissokos and Amauris and less of Iaquintas, Tiagos, Andrades and Almirons.
I believed and still believe that two young, but reliable players, instead of the above four would greatly increase our team's chances both momentarily and in the long run. Two in the first year, two this year and with two more by the end of this year, we would already have a competitive team in hand and from there we would only add one or two players per year as our champions retire. Accomplishing our announced 5 year plan!!
We could become more competitive faster this way and give the chance to some of our champions to actually win smth before they retire.
Practically, we would sacrifice nothing from our depth too, as those liabilities proved anyway, because we had still had to use our youngsters and old champions rather then them. And we reached were we reached with not even half of the help of those 4 players were supposed to offer, so 2 reliable players in their place would add more in my books momentarily and if they were talented enough to be starters or even first rate subs in the future, then the benefit would be double and the efficiency of the very same resources multiplied in the future, where those players have no future! This is where this board has disappointed me.

But what is done, is done...
What we can do now to minimize the damages and amounts spent, is to take the maximum advantage of the players we acquired!
Since we chose to acquire both Amauri and Iaquinta, we have to use them as much as possible. Amauri can become more useful as DP+Treze are growing over and become a valuable starter. Iaquinta cant do that and we knew that when we bought him, but what he can do is offer the necessary depth we need and the reason to defy the need for more forwards and the option to suspend the need for a new acquisition until one of the two champions retire or get sold!
Thats one strategical advantage his acquisition can provide and it is only valid for this certain year, because DP will retire soon and we havent decided what to do with Giovinco yet!
Dropping him instantly drops the only strategical benefit his acquisition could offer! Sacrificing our needs and potential in the defense for a 3rd consecutive season for added depth in the forward line cannot be justified by any means!!!
It already happened twice and our issues there has grown enough!
Therefore i cannot accept this acquisition as a priority, unless it is manifested as an opportunity target. Meaning that we have the option to sell Iaquinta or Treze for a price near to Cassano's price and we also spend a small extra sum that would benefit our team in the future since we add a younger quality forward and negate the need to add a DP successor tomorrow, thus releasing more funds for upgrading our wings/wingbacks the next year to complete our team!
That would mean, that this transfer should be considered as an unexpected bonus and not the prime event of the season. Our priorities should be dealt the necessary attention and respected accordingly! Meaning that we are going to spend the necessary funds and time/concentration to finish them.
 
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    I was reading an article at another site earlier tonight, and was shocked by how true it felt...

    I know Secco has a poor reputation, and when his transfers thus far are laid out in all their horror, to view at once, as a complete picture, I can see why most people not only hate him, but fear how severely his incompetence could harm us, as a club.

    Sissoko is the only player he has purchased whom I see as a definite first team player in our future team, which is capable of challenging for major honours, at home and abroad. Amauri has proven useful, and he could well be a part of the future juve squad, but we didn't need him, when we signed him, the team can score goals without him. And it would have been interesting to see what would have happened had Iaquinta and Giovinco been used more in the absence of Trezeguet...Still, he has done okay. But as I say, we didn't need him.

    Tiago has been terrible. Last season was a non-event, he was as useful as a corpse, and this season, though he has showed signs of competency in patches, he has not once been the deciding factor in an important game. I have no idea as to why he has only managed to achieve a shadow of the player he was at Lyon an Chelsea before then...Undoubtedly a poor signing.

    Almiron- Wretched. Though he resembled a goblin version of Veron, and seemed to wear his socks in the same manner, swing his boot in the same fashion but without the technique, of his argie comrade...Farmed out and I hope we get something for him in the summer.

    Grygera---at best, solid, at worst, as reliable at the back as a ghost on the field.

    Mellberg-- Its embarassing that we have a team in which Mellberg can challenge legitimately for a first team birth. Had he been an aging Great from Arsenal, or Man U, or Chelsea...like a makele...it would have been bearable, and understandable, to a degree. But we got s fiery, but fading, viking who was never a star, in any league, with any team...Even Desailly, would have been a far better choice.

    Poulsen---Instead of Alonso...he has had nasty injuries, and has not had the chance to show his worth. Also, his recent performances for his national team were powerful. There is promise, but nothing substantial in terms of proof just yet. Still, instead of Alonso...It presently seems like an awful signing. Especially given the fact that we have Zanetti, Marchisio, Sissoko, Tiago...who can all challenge for the central midfield positions. 5 players to cover two positions. So we purchased a 5th, rather than add an ultra creative element, Alonso, to that pool of players. Dumb move...but perhaps Poulsen will be one of our central midfielders of the new team we are building. Challenging for the central midfield roles, with Marchisio, Momo and maybe one of our youngsters, Ekdal***

    His policy has been very poor. Strengthening areas of the team which we can cover with at least some class, whilst avoiding the areas most need of improvement.

    Any defence comprising of Grygera, Molinaro, and Mellberg, is going to struggle against the top clubs when it comes to challenging for honours, at home and abroad. It is the worst defence I can remember seeing us field, and at times, I am sure that if Gillingham player Juve, and the Kentish lads put out a sterling performance, they would likely win, if those three players were performing at their average levels...If it wasn't for Chiellini our goals conceded for this season would be intensely higher than it is. Either way, Chiellini and Buffon are strong enough to help us maintain a 2nd-4th ranking in the league, but we cant match the big boys...Inter's defensive pool is brimming with rugged quality. They have several Chiellini's and the others in that pool, are far better than Legrotaglie, Molinaro, Grygera, Mellberg.

    Criscito must return. And must be given a chance, his last chance, to prove he can use his talent. See how he goes over the Summer. He could well add to the Chiellini quality. Also De Ceglie must be blooded as often and severely as possible. Let those two challenge for Left Back. Or better still, let Criscito partner Chiellini in defence. Those two could form a devastating partnership for club and country....Either way, we have ownership of a player who has potential, lets see what he can do, after a season playing week in week out for a top four club...

    That is one addition to the 4.

    We can get away with Zebina playing, but not Molinaro and Mellberg. Legro needs replacing, as only ever looks good when next to Chiellini.

    While a replacement for Nedved is needed, I mean replacement as to his quality and drive for the team, not solely his position. While it looks more likely by the week that Diego will come to use, I can only pray that the rest of our acquisitions to the team are for the Defence.
     

    Cronios

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    When the echo of my preaching has reached the wall and reflected back to my ears, i sense that my duty here is done. I will return on the matter, only when people will start forgetting what we have seen lately...
    I just wanted to warn and protect our brothers from the disappointment we were bound to suffer.
    The signs and the reasons behind them have been extensively presented,
    i have failed to warn the bulk of this forum, as they refused my argumentation and insisted on the delusional tittle hopes, but hopefully this mistake will not be repeated against next year.

    I cannot dare to demand that this incompetent management will make the right decisions, but i hope so, or at least i hope that they will be replaced...
    But even then, i wouldnt bear to see the fans getting fooled again by their lies and empty promises and above all, from an innocent fool's hope.
    We have seen or problems, our inabilities and their effects, if those problems are not fixed, we wont have any realistic title chances!
    And the longer their priority is not respected, the longer it will take for us to fix them. Simple as that...
     

    Jasp

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    SIGH :cry:

    I always say to myself, dont be to rash just after a game, but I simply cannot help this time. Cronios / Weed, I have to I completely agree, that defensive show yesterday was... well what was it? I seem to be lacking adequate linguistic foulmouthness to describe it. 1,2 no, 3 horrible defensive displays to draw that game.

    Melberg can stay and act sub with leggro. We need 3 defenders. That is for sure. Dont know if its possible, to get three good enough players the way the market looks, but we need it.

    Read about randomness the last day. The randomness of Roger Marris record season in Baseball, seems clearer that we can view our 2nd place as randomness in that perspective and a bad calcio. Thought the good times were not that far away, now im just not sure anymore.
     

    Cronios

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    Maybe 3 defenders is not achievable within a seasons time, thats why we ought to start doing this the season before, but we should at least make an effort to improve the quality percentage of our starters!
    One more defender, near to Chiellini's quality, would help/fix a lot of our problems in the defense and buy as some valuable time until we fix it completely eventually. We dont need anymore Mellbergs, who only extend/mask this problem!
    But further negletting this issue just to buy Cassano is nearly a crime!
     

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    Maybe 3 defenders is not achievable within a seasons time, thats why we ought to start doing this the season before, but we should at least make an effort to improve the quality percentage of our starters!
    One more defender, near to Chiellini's quality, would help/fix a lot of our problems in the defense and buy as some valuable time until we fix it completely eventually. We dont need anymore Mellbergs, who only extend/mask this problem!
    But further negletting this issue just to buy Cassano is nearly a crime!
    :tup:
     

    Hust

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    Yeah Cassano would be insanity to buy right now, he would be just a luxury we can't afford. I'd love him if some way we can still afford to "FIX" everything else which looks like will be tough.

    @Weedy: Amauri is a classy buy, to peform at top levels on all competitions we need at least 4 strikers (with our formation). Amauri has bailed us out many times just like IQ, especially every time DP under performs, and yesterday would have been a prime example for that. With Trez's injury, had we have not gotten Amauri we would have been overplaying both DP and IQ and risk another injury.

    @Weedy (again): Sell Tiago/Almiron first chance we get, cash in on them and I am sure we may not get much out of them but its a start and if used wisely maybe a cash + trade. Now for the defense, bring back Criscito is pretty clear to everyone, I agree...Ariaudo is supposed to be promising no? Sadly that is 4 backs all left footed which may prove awkward but still worth a gamble if you ask me.

    I know the club is hellbent on NOT over spending to make sure the books are kept in order, but f*ck me if it is done RIGHT we can spend the money necessary to really compete on all fronts and not have to worry about really spending big for another season or two. The board needs to step out of their comfort zone this summer and spend, that's the only way IMO to ensure money comes in the future by winning more. If they put their interest and money in the "right" players, even if it means spending more than planned then they wouldn't have to worry about hitting the transfer market again once they find another hole in the depth of our team. At least that's what I think. I like the idea of balancing the books and not going into heavy debt but a great business incurs some debt to get it afloat and if the debt they incur is smart the return on investments would be so much sweeter than the debt incurred in the first place.
     
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    Yeah Cassano would be insanity to buy right now, he would be just a luxury we can't afford. I'd love him if some way we can still afford to "FIX" everything else which looks like will be tough.

    @Weedy: Amauri is a classy buy, to peform at top levels on all competitions we need at least 4 strikers (with our formation). Amauri has bailed us out many times just like IQ, especially every time DP under performs, and yesterday would have been a prime example for that. With Trez's injury, had we have not gotten Amauri we would have been overplaying both DP and IQ and risk another injury.

    @Weedy (again): Sell Tiago/Almiron first chance we get, cash in on them and I am sure we may not get much out of them but its a start and if used wisely maybe a cash + trade. Now for the defense, bring back Criscito is pretty clear to everyone, I agree...Ariaudo is supposed to be promising no? Sadly that is 4 backs all left footed which may prove awkward but still worth a gamble if you ask me.

    I know the club is hellbent on NOT over spending to make sure the books are kept in order, but f*ck me if it is done RIGHT we can spend the money necessary to really compete on all fronts and not have to worry about really spending big for another season or two. The board needs to step out of their comfort zone this summer and spend, that's the only way IMO to ensure money comes in the future by winning more. If they put their interest and money in the "right" players, even if it means spending more than planned then they wouldn't have to worry about hitting the transfer market again once they find another hole in the depth of our team. At least that's what I think. I like the idea of balancing the books and not going into heavy debt but a great business incurs some debt to get it afloat and if the debt they incur is smart the return on investments would be so much sweeter than the debt incurred in the first place.
    Amauri has not yet proved to me that he is in the same class as Del Piero or Trezeguet. yes he has scored goals, several ultra important ones in games we looked like losing or drawing...but he has hardly set the field on fire. I see Iaquinta as a far heavier threat to the opposition. Still, the service, from the flanks especially, has been fairly wretched for much of this season, which makes it harder to judge Amauri's contribution. He is neither out and out goal scorer, poacher, target man, creator...more a subtle mix of all of those areas, without truly excelling at any of them. Take Iaquinta for example...he is a powerhouse, who mixs strong heart with physical prowess. We paid too much for Amauri, at a time when we didn't need him. Perhaps with a fit Camo, he would be a greater success for us, maybe next season we will see, but so far...not by any measure does he rank as one of my favourite Juve forwards of any era...

    Indeed, Tiago and Almiron can go. But I have this horrible feeling that wherever Tiago resurfaces, we will see him back to his best, back to the player the world knew, before he arrived in Turin...Still, the sale of those two will surely add funds to potential purchases for the Defence. If we can all see how weak we are in that area, Ranieri MUST be able to see this also. Gifting 3 goals to CHievo proved beyond any doubt that we need to invest in QUALITY not QUANTITY...

    Speculate to accumulate, eh mate...If we finish in 2nd this season, perhaps the board will release a little extra $ than they had earmarked, under the assumption that we will be qualifying for the champions league every season now, and at least earning a few million$ in the group stage, and one or more knockout games...

    Truly the picture is not as bleak as I sometimes feel the need to paint it. Its just that like many others, I find it hard to stop myself from imagining that a return to the force we once were, is just around the corner...
     

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    SIGH :cry:

    I always say to myself, dont be to rash just after a game, but I simply cannot help this time. Cronios / Weed, I have to I completely agree, that defensive show yesterday was... well what was it? I seem to be lacking adequate linguistic foulmouthness to describe it. 1,2 no, 3 horrible defensive displays to draw that game.

    Melberg can stay and act sub with leggro. We need 3 defenders. That is for sure. Dont know if its possible, to get three good enough players the way the market looks, but we need it.
    I agree defense need boosting, one CB should suffice. Zebina looked good yesterday, if fit, he can do a pretty sufficient job.

    And I think we should not over react, we don't have the most solid defense but we're still the second best..if my records are correct.

    Judging by last game, we should also replace Buffon as he looked awfully decent at best. He could have done better on the first two goals IMO.
     

    Cronios

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    We have seen enough to know that zebina is NEVER fit.
    We cannot rely on him for anything more than a back up role!!
    We have done this mistake once more this year and we had to endure Grygera for the whole season. We should not repeat this again. We should go for a permanent solution soon or later...
     
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