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If that's the case, couldn't you say that about everything we do? I hold the door for somebody behind me, so that must mean the deed was done because I want to be recognized with a "thank you", thus feeding my ego. 
With this line of thinking, wouldn't the bigger test be allowing the females to wear whatever they want, thus causing the males to have even more restraint, and vice-versa?
This is where the thinking of Muslims is rightfully destroyed. It's utterly hypocritical.
With this line of thinking, wouldn't the bigger test be allowing the females to wear whatever they want, thus causing the males to have even more restraint, and vice-versa?
This is where the thinking of Muslims is rightfully destroyed. It's utterly hypocritical.
If that's the case, couldn't you say that about everything we do? I hold the door for somebody behind me, so that must mean the deed was done because I want to be recognized with a "thank you", thus feeding my ego.
What is the motive for holding the door? There could be a couple.
- I like this person, I want to have a dialogue with them. This little gesture contributes to that.
- I don't know this person at all, but I like the idea of living in a society where people do nice things for each other. Perhaps if I hold the door for people, they will start doing little positive gestures for others and in effect we'll live in a better world.
- I was brought up in a culture/tradition where holding the door for people is standard. I'm doing this to transmit my culture/tradition onto others.
- "It makes me feel good" (this one is very vague and I'd like to be able to explain it better)
Don't you enjoy this line of reasoning that says "god did this, therefore it is so" but then whenever there is something about the religion that is bad the excuse is "god gave us free will, without that life would be meaningless etc". It's the complete exclusion from any blame at all.
If that's the case, couldn't you say that about everything we do? I hold the door for somebody behind me, so that must mean the deed was done because I want to be recognized with a "thank you", thus feeding my ego.
With this line of thinking, wouldn't the bigger test be allowing the females to wear whatever they want, thus causing the males to have even more restraint, and vice-versa?
This is where the thinking of Muslims is rightfully destroyed. It's utterly hypocritical.
With this line of thinking, wouldn't the bigger test be allowing the females to wear whatever they want, thus causing the males to have even more restraint, and vice-versa?
This is where the thinking of Muslims is rightfully destroyed. It's utterly hypocritical.
Well, then you have to ask the question why be nice to anybody? I think it's proper to hold the door for others, not for a "feel good" high, but just because it should be done. Of course, if I know a hot girl is behind me, I'd be more willing to hold that door.
Yeah, it's a great cop out for stupidity.
It fails by itself because no matter what women wear, in the minds of males they'll still be desired, still be viewed as sex objects, BECAUSE THAT IS THE NATURAL THOUGHT PROCESS OF MAN!
Yeah, it's a great cop out for stupidity.
It fails by itself because no matter what women wear, in the minds of males they'll still be desired, still be viewed as sex objects, BECAUSE THAT IS THE NATURAL THOUGHT PROCESS OF MAN!
Because it makes me happy, dude. Seriously, I'm not jesting here.
Let's try to see what "it should be done" means. For instance, it could mean "because I was brought up this way". So by acting according to your upbringing you are effectively maintaining the bond with your roots, you are grounding yourself in some sense by referring back to the culture in which you grew up. And the motive for feeling part of something is what? To have membership in a group, to feel a togetherness, to imbue your own life with meaning through the presence of others.
Qui bono? Andy.
Yes, the selfish motive becomes clearer. But that doesn't mean it wasn't always there.
Let's try to see what "it should be done" means. For instance, it could mean "because I was brought up this way". So by acting according to your upbringing you are effectively maintaining the bond with your roots, you are grounding yourself in some sense by referring back to the culture in which you grew up. And the motive for feeling part of something is what? To have membership in a group, to feel a togetherness, to imbue your own life with meaning through the presence of others.
Qui bono? Andy.
Of course, if I know a hot girl is behind me, I'd be more willing to hold that door.
Who benefits? We all do. I mean, we want to live in a society that isn't all about screwing other people over, don't we? If one should take any line from the Bible, it should be "treat others as you would want to be treated." Common courtesy is not about some cultural matter, but rather something that should be promoted for everybody. It's better than living in a world where doors are slammed on your face.
It seems like you're trying to make people guilty for doing kind things.
No matter who it is, I still hold the door for people.
It seems like you're trying to make people guilty for doing kind things.
No matter who it is, I still hold the door for people.
Precisely. To do something to benefit yourself is not necessarily to hurt or deprive someone else. Take what is perhaps the most selfish goal of all: love. What could be more selfish than to desire someone to share your life with you? But the benefit is symmetrical.
Exactly, we want. So I want to be nice because I want to live in a society where people are nice to me. Sound self centered yet?
I think this line sells so well both because it gives you that feel good vibe (I'm a good person), and at the same time it's perfectly prudent economically (we all pay up for common benefit, my personal investment is protected).
Am I? Is getting a good education, a good job something to feel guilty about? Is the motive selfish? Undoubtedly. And yet it's not something to feel ashamed of, is it? You benefit yourself, but not at the expense of others. What's more, others benefit from your improved self.
Exactly, we want. So I want to be nice because I want to live in a society where people are nice to me. Sound self centered yet?
I think this line sells so well both because it gives you that feel good vibe (I'm a good person), and at the same time it's perfectly prudent economically (we all pay up for common benefit, my personal investment is protected).
It seems like you're trying to make people guilty for doing kind things.
One of the things I always admired about Islam was the idea of jihad -- or at least the internal struggle of overcoming those temptations and other external bad influences, distractions, etc.
And I can understand the virtue in modesty. But modesty and requiring women to dress like army tents are two different things.
In the end, it becomes a bit like the gay man who enters the Catholic priesthood to "cure" himself of his homosexuality. He's cured nothing. He's evaded the problem is all he's done.
He's faced up against nothing. He's learning nothing. He's grown not one bit. No struggle. No growth. The problem is still there, strong as ever, just everyone gets to put their head in the sand and pretend as if it no longer exists. That's no jihad... that's running away screaming in personal defeat.
And I can understand the virtue in modesty. But modesty and requiring women to dress like army tents are two different things.
In the end, it becomes a bit like the gay man who enters the Catholic priesthood to "cure" himself of his homosexuality. He's cured nothing. He's evaded the problem is all he's done.
He's faced up against nothing. He's learning nothing. He's grown not one bit. No struggle. No growth. The problem is still there, strong as ever, just everyone gets to put their head in the sand and pretend as if it no longer exists. That's no jihad... that's running away screaming in personal defeat.
So they cut the woman's dick off?
And you wouldn't know, but I'm drunk (something awesome they don't allow you to do) but i love my man Bes and we roll heavy strong and without a bong because we are drugs, so is it against Islam to stick my dickballs in your mouth?
PS - your mom said no
PPS - leave the forum
And you wouldn't know, but I'm drunk (something awesome they don't allow you to do) but i love my man Bes and we roll heavy strong and without a bong because we are drugs, so is it against Islam to stick my dickballs in your mouth?
PS - your mom said no
PPS - leave the forum
Man is naturally violent does that justify war or murder? no
look at it this way..
Man is a Rational Animal
The rationality is what distinct you from the animals... take that away and we become ones.
the more rational you are, the more you are attached to your rational side the more human you are... the more vulgar you are.. the more animal..
Religion recognizes the natural urges of man.. it does not stop them... it CONTROLS and Organizes them. I am sure we all know people that their desires control them rather than they control their desires.
What is the purpose of ethics if we should just live like animals?
look at it this way..
Man is a Rational Animal
The rationality is what distinct you from the animals... take that away and we become ones.
the more rational you are, the more you are attached to your rational side the more human you are... the more vulgar you are.. the more animal..
Religion recognizes the natural urges of man.. it does not stop them... it CONTROLS and Organizes them. I am sure we all know people that their desires control them rather than they control their desires.
What is the purpose of ethics if we should just live like animals?
"Athiest ,agnostics etc are not religions , actually they are anti-religions'
And you're against that, so stop being against them and they won't argue or fight with you all the time.
At the end of the day, it's all about being a good person so stop trying to influence them to learn or join Islam or whatever religion. That's up to them, not you
And you're against that, so stop being against them and they won't argue or fight with you all the time.
At the end of the day, it's all about being a good person so stop trying to influence them to learn or join Islam or whatever religion. That's up to them, not you
No one is doing anything... they simply are criticizing it and i am defending it. They have many many misconceptions and i try to make it clearer regardless of their intentions.
True but being "civilized" is mostly exclusive to europe and america ..
people over here are like animals... religion puts some control over them..
I wasnt promoting religion over ethics.... i am promoting ethics in general be it islamic or not.. (i dont agree with everything in religion) i was criticizing the view that says we should do whatever is natural to human beings ... the view that says we are partially animals so there is nothing wrong with acting like animals.
True but being "civilized" is mostly exclusive to europe and america ..
people over here are like animals... religion puts some control over them..
I wasnt promoting religion over ethics.... i am promoting ethics in general be it islamic or not.. (i dont agree with everything in religion) i was criticizing the view that says we should do whatever is natural to human beings ... the view that says we are partially animals so there is nothing wrong with acting like animals.
Atheists believe there is no god. They cannot prove the non-existence of god therefore they are irrational in their belief. They are no more rational than theists or any religion for that matter. This is why I find Atheism extremely hypocritical and rather stupid.
Agnosticism is different. Agnostics simply do not know whether god exists, I think this is at least somewhat rational and logical, unlike atheists, they refuse to claim to know that god does not exist when they clearly do not possess any evidence whatsoever that disregards God's existence.
What attracted me to theism was the undeniable existence of the Moral Law, the origin of the universe from a metaphysical aspect, and extremely strong personal feelings towards the existence of a creator. If I were not a theist, I would conclude that the only arguably consistent and logical belief I would choose would be agnosticism. Atheism to me is meaningless at best.
Agnosticism is different. Agnostics simply do not know whether god exists, I think this is at least somewhat rational and logical, unlike atheists, they refuse to claim to know that god does not exist when they clearly do not possess any evidence whatsoever that disregards God's existence.
What attracted me to theism was the undeniable existence of the Moral Law, the origin of the universe from a metaphysical aspect, and extremely strong personal feelings towards the existence of a creator. If I were not a theist, I would conclude that the only arguably consistent and logical belief I would choose would be agnosticism. Atheism to me is meaningless at best.
I see what you're saying, but often times the person in control is sacrificing his/her own health, pleasure, happiness for that of his/her pet. Then this feeling of power you are talking about is overturned. Instead of being in control, the owner is actually victim to his/her own love for this pet.
You are suggesting that altruism does not really exist. That there is always to some degree a motive for performing a good deed( making one feel better about himself etc..) I disagree, in many cases humans sacrifice far too much for the benefit of others. Humans do not do this for personal satisfaction but because it is actually in our nature to do good.
You are suggesting that altruism does not really exist. That there is always to some degree a motive for performing a good deed( making one feel better about himself etc..) I disagree, in many cases humans sacrifice far too much for the benefit of others. Humans do not do this for personal satisfaction but because it is actually in our nature to do good.