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[Cronios]

you know it's not that simple, you forgot the part where the people of san francisco were mass murdering the chinese

Says who the Chinese government??
As far as i m concerned, this excused has been officially denied by the US and the bodies they showed in CNN, were in fact dead ppl from the collateral damages made of the US bombs.
Again in this century a murder, does not justify another murder.
I dont think that fellows like Dule would agree on a mass murder, these ppl are innocent, who is going to protect them?
I neither think that Russia would agree on mass murders either,
US could kill 5 generals and Milo without the use of stealth weapons and with the help of Nato, waging war IS NOT a solution!

 

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[The Arif]

imagine 100 million Chinese, immigrating in San Francisco and ask for the independence of China town, in a 100 years from now, claiming that they have the majority in the region
and then a third country runs in, nukes the whole country, until the US are back in the stone age...

You got to be kidding right? So we came here 100 years ago, occupied this land and now got the independence? If that's what you meant, then LOL.

Some people should get their facts straight. Kosovo was never a part of Serbia, we were here a long time before serbs realised that Europe existed. And we were never recognised as Serbia, there was always "Kosovo, the autonomous part of Serbia."


People may think that USA did wrong by helping Kosovo, then check the internet for some facts. Serbian police and military killing innocent people. Some of the worst massacres have happenned here you know. It's obvious that through the years, Serbs tried to dissapear us, so that in Kosovo the majority would be serbs. That didn't happen and that will never happen.

 

[The Arif]

I wonder how long it will take for them to form a Football Federation and get into UEFA - FIFA.

We already have a Football Federation and our own league (although it sucks ). How long will it take us to get into UEFA-FIFA? Probably a couple of years, but we must improve our footballing infrastructure first because it sucks.

 

[soulslider]

Congrats Arif

 

[Cronios]

You got to be kidding right? So we came here 100 years ago, occupied this land and now got the independence? If that's what you meant, then LOL.

Partially, i was being sarcastic and said that, only to bring the US in a similar situation

Some people should get their facts straight. Kosovo was never a part of Serbia, we were here a long time before serbs realised that Europe existed. And we were never recognised as Serbia, there was always "Kosovo, the autonomous part of Serbia."

O, i ve heard another story, you mean you are not of Slavic origin?
And another question would be, when exactly the Serbians occupied Kosovo?

People may think that USA did wrong by helping Kosovo, then check the internet for some facts. Serbian police and military killing innocent people. Some of the worst massacres have happenned here you know. It's obvious that through the years, Serbs tried to dissapear us, so that in Kosovo the majority would be serbs. That didn't happen and that will never happen.

Serbian police only prosecuted some criminals that didnt behaved their selves, Serbian paramilitary forces funded by the CIA were more naughty though, but i again, cant see the reason why US bombs should kill innocent people like Dule,
soldiers only take orders:eyebrows:

 

[The Arif]

Partially, i was being sarcastic and said that, only to bring the US in a similar situation

Oh, ok then. But it's still not a similar situation but let's end this here.

O, i ve heard another story, you mean you are not of Slavic origin?
And another question would be, when exactly the Serbians occupied Kosovo?

No, I'm not of slavic origin. I'm of Albanian origin, or Illyrian origin.

Serbs occupied Kosovo in the 6th century, as Alen already said. But Kosovo existed even before that, as it was a part of Illyrian Dardania, that existed before the Roman conquest.

Serbian police only prosecuted some criminals that didnt behaved their selves, Serbian paramilitary forces funded by the CIA were more naughty though, but i again, i cant see the reason why US bombs should kill innocent people like Dule,
soldiers only take orders:eyebrows:

Criminals? Please. I don't know if you're informed what happened here in the 1999 during the war, but 12000 people can't be criminals that were massacred by the serbs. Now we're in 2008, and there are still 2500 kosovars missing.



EDIT: Thanks soulslider.

 

[Vinman]

All three but mostly because of the land.

Why is America trying to solve all this?

I knew nothing about this until I saw the news yesterday

I've discussed this with Alen in the past and I've learned a great deal from him. So I understand the Serbian point of view on the matter. My stance on the issue is much like that of the Israel-Palestine issue.

which is ??

Kosovo is Serbia

Dule, I dont think you have much to worry about...once the Soviet Union gets involved, they will straighten this whole mess out...we all know how they hate independent states

 

[joe5]

Albans used the current imbalance of international powers intelligently. It's the usual price defeated parties (Russia and Serbia) have to pay.

Exactly. Impalance is the key to control one sagnificant area, and this what the Empire is spreading to areas with sagnificant importance.

You're just agreeing with that because you think people from the Balkans are blaming the US for their problems without reason. Like I said before, you need to open your eyes to the world, learn a little something about other nations, before you start saying we're free of guilt in every situation.

Btw many countries in the world aren't free of quilt, not only US.

 

[soulslider]

Dule, I dont think you have much to worry about...once the Soviet Union gets involved, they will straighten this whole mess out...we all know how they hate independent states

yeah , and you think USA will let them straighten the mess up , world war III here we come in that case

 

[The Arif]

Recognition for new Kosovo grows

Recognition of Kosovo's declaration of independence has gained momentum with the US, France, the UK, Germany and Italy all pledging their support.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7251359.stm

 

[Bjerknes]

Drew, do some research and come back and tell us how well off the Balkans would be today without US and NATO intervention.


*Not meant to be rude.

How well off are the Balkans today though? We could potentially have another war on *our* hands. I don't think people want that, but the good old USA and Russia are once again at arms.

Ask any Bosnian or Serb how he feels about the United States' diplomacy in the Balkans. Sure, we certainly helped Kosovo, but we were late in coming into Bosnia, which can be attributed to the fact that beforehand we didn't have much interest in the region.

I mean, ask Alen, Zlatan, Dule and even Arif what they think about our troops being involved. You'll get mixed responses, most of them negative.

 

[Dostoevsky]

yeah , and you think USA will let them straighten the mess up , world war III here we come in that case

Indeed.

How well off are the Balkans today though? We could potentially have another war on *our* hands. I don't think people want that, but the good old USA and Russia are once again at arms.

Ask any Bosnian or Serb how he feels about the United States' diplomacy in the Balkans. Sure, we certainly helped Kosovo, but we were late in coming into Bosnia, which can be attributed to the fact that beforehand we didn't have much interest in the region.

I mean, ask Alen, Zlatan, Dule and even Arif what they think about our troops being involved. You'll get mixed responses, most of them negative.

Yeah...I`d say negative.

 

[Alen]

You got to be kidding right? So we came here 100 years ago, occupied this land and now got the independence? If that's what you meant, then LOL.

Some people should get their facts straight. Kosovo was never a part of Serbia, we were here a long time before serbs realised that Europe existed. And we were never recognised as Serbia, there was always "Kosovo, the autonomous part of Serbia."

Wow, Arif, this is what Balkan historiography does to people's minds.
Here you're trowing the same cards the Jews use when they say "But we were here in Bible times, we were the first here, this must be ours"

It's funny when people draw a line from Ancient times to 21st century and say "Those were our great great grand fathers".

First of all the theory of ethnogenesis will never allow the Ilyrian tribes who lived here more than 2000 years ago to be the same people as modern Albanians.
Did you get to read Ilyrian gloses (words) ? Not a single one is used in modern Albanian language.
Do you know what was happening in the Balkans in last 2000 years ?
The Ancient Macedonians were rulling Ilyria at certain times. They were marrying and raping Illyrian women. Then the Romans came and the Roman empire lasted more than 4 centuries here in the Balkans. What about the Roman colonists who were inhabited in modern Albania ? Did they stay away from the Ilyrians ?
And then Byzantium ruled Albania for 1100 years. Greek colonists, Slavik tribes, Latin speaking tribes.....they all lived together with the people they found in modern Albania.
And then the Turks came. When they came Albania wasn't islamic country, it was Christian country. It took time for the Turks to spread islam and you do know how were they doing that, right ? How did they react when a certain city wouldn't surender. All the women in certain cities were raped.

And you're telling me that modern Albanians are direct successors of ancient Illyrians ?


It's the same as Macedonians who claim that they are the descendants of Alexander the Great or modern Greeks claiming that they are the descendants of the Ancient Greeks.

It's obvious that through the years, Serbs tried to dissapear us, so that in Kosovo the majority would be serbs. That didn't happen and that will never happen.

Something is still strange here. I'm not doubting that the Serbs did masacre some innocent civilians but it's still strange how year after year the Albanians were becomming a majority while the Serbs a minority.
Every year the percentage of Albanians was ggrowing while the percentage of Serbs was getting lower and lower.
That's some strange way to make a certain nation disappear.

 

[Bjerknes]

I don't think the fact that the Partizans did it to the Italians, makes it alright for the Serbs to massacre the Albanians. I don't know, maybe I am just weird.

Well of course it isn't alright for the Serbs to carry out ethnic cleansing. But it's also not right for us to step in, bomb civilians in Beograd and Sarajevo (tardy I might add), and then start forming nations that suit our own needs. It's just wrong. While we certainly helped ethnic albanians, we were a detriment to innocent Serbs, Bosnians and even Croats.

Like I said before, Zlatan, Alen, Dule, Barkuss, and others from different places in the region will tell you that they were not happy about our response. And I think that's what matters most here, not what the history books say about the single entity we helped because it benefits us.

Says who the Chinese government??
As far as i m concerned, this excused has been officially denied by the US and the bodies they showed in CNN, were in fact dead ppl from the collateral damages made of the US bombs.
Again in this century a murder, does not justify another murder.
I dont think that fellows like Dule would agree on a mass murder, these ppl are innocent, who is going to protect them?
I neither think that Russia would agree on mass murders either,
US could kill 5 generals and Milo without the use of stealth weapons and with the help of Nato, waging war IS NOT a solution!

Yeah, the collateral damage we caused was particulary bad, not to mention the use of depleted Uranium pellets in our spread bombs that still cause problems today.

http://www.stopnato.org.uk/du-watch/rozoff/whitedeath.htm

Look at all these cases of leukemia and other types of cancer that have risen exponentially in the region since 1996. And it's not only Serbs and Bosnian-Serbs suffering from the spent weapons - doctors from the UN have also seen increasing cancer rates in soldiers who have served in the region over the years.

"As many as two thousand civilians perished in NATO's bombing rampage."

So besides helping a minority group in the region, what good have we done, Enron?

People may think that USA did wrong by helping Kosovo, then check the internet for some facts. Serbian police and military killing innocent people. Some of the worst massacres have happenned here you know. It's obvious that through the years, Serbs tried to dissapear us, so that in Kosovo the majority would be serbs. That didn't happen and that will never happen.

It's certainly not wrong to help an oppresed people like those in Kosovo, but we just carried out the mission in ways that were simply wrong.

 

[Zé Tahir]

All I have to say is

Forza Yugoslavia!

 

[Bjerknes]

yeah , and you think USA will let them straighten the mess up , world war III here we come in that case

That's what it could come down to if Putin really means what he says regarding the issue.

 

[Alen]

That's a wrong flag Tahir
This is the right one :

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

Says who the Chinese government??

that one sentence describes the whole situation.
as an albanian i was taught in school that albanians were in the region before greeks and serbs and that one the official borders of albania were drafted a large portion of territory where the majority of population were/still are albanian were given to yougoslavia, greece and macedonia.
and that lead to mass evacuations/killings of people from those territories

 

[Ibrahimovic9]

Idiot.

U can keep banging your head off the wall all day if u want to, Kosovo is free now, buddy. No more prosecution, discrimination, hatered, and genocide from serbia.

Because that opinion is just wrong.He tells that because he hate Serbia.

How is my opinion wrong? I see you still have that nationalist serbian mentality of hatered for all the non-serbs in the Balkans. I can understand that you don't want to lose Kosovo but whats with the double standard here? You want to terrorize, prosecute, kill, take peoples land, and still expect them to not hate u. Are u forgetting what serbia did in 1990s? serbia will never change, every election borderline nationalists who promote hatred towards other people win. What are people to do? Be objective here, ya need to get rid of serbs vs everyone mentality. I'm sorry if I come off as I hate serbs but what am I to do, I'm from Srebrenica, lost half of my relatives because of ya, and most still havent been recovered, what am I to do?

 

[Zé Tahir]

That's a wrong flag Tahir
This is the right one :

The one I posted is from post WWII, isn't it?