Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (39 Viewers)

[Bianconero81]

I had hoped you were capable of a deeper intellectual understanding of how economy works and therefore why International football has developed in the way it has.

That fact that Italian clubs are at their lowest in 30 years isn't just a simple matter of cycles or "money shifts" as some would say - come one how ignorant can you be? There's a profound lack of professionalism and business sense combined with a reactionary attitude towards the evolution of "football" in Italian football.

In football, cycles tends to be in 3-5 year intervals, not a decade or more.

 

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[Hust]

But it's still a cycle, nonetheless. Regardless of how long or how Italian football got to this point doesn't change the fact that it's still a cycle. There is no set time frame or length for it.

It's a cycle.

 

[Maddy]

That escalated quickly.

Not really. It's not a personal thing. But if you simply snub the current problems of Italian football by "It's a matter of cycles"-argument, then you are ignorant.

That's like explaining why the French economy isn't doing to well by saying: "Oh, it'll change by itself. We don't need to do anything. EU is to blame. Frence is good" (Marine Le Pen-style) despite it being a known fact that France in the last 20 years have neglected economic reforms.

It's a conservative and reactionary way of perceiving a problem.

 

[Hust]

Assuming it isn't a cycle essentially says Italian football will never be back to it's glory days.

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Not really. It's not a personal thing. But if you simply snub the current problems of Italian football by "It's a matter of cycles"-argument, then you are ignorant.

That's like explaining why the French economy isn't doing to well by saying: "Oh, it'll change by itself. We don't need to do anything. EU is to blame. Frence is good" (Marine Le Pen-style) despite it being a known fact that France in the last 20 years have neglected economic reforms.

It's a conservative and reactionary way of perceiving a problem.

When did I snub any problem, I merely posted in agreement to Sal's post.

 

[Bianconero81]

Let's not get stuck on semantics dude. It's an extended/prolonged cycle, but that's not the point.

The reason Italian football is in the shitter as not as simple as it being cyclical; the problems are far more deep rooted than that.

 

[Hust]

Let's not get stuck on semantics dude. It's an extended/prolonged cycle, but that's not the point.

The reason Italian football is in the shitter as not as simple as it being cyclical; the problems are far more deep rooted than that.

And I wasn't making any points. I was agreeing with Sal that its a cycle.

 

[Zacheryah]

that's my point! we can't blame our Serie A for this. But, that mindset in Italy must change and product their own players. Except this, i can't see other league having better teams than the past years, i'm not talking about Barca, Real and all that 3,4 other marketing teams.

wait a second, there are two diferent things


At one side, Serie a was run exceptionally bad for the past 25 years.

At the other side, there is an exceptionally poor generation of italian youth. People shouldnt act like its "all the clubs avoiding the youth" because they did that and worse in the 90ties and we had players like Nesta, Cannavaro, Totti, Del Piero, etc comming trough. Talent allways breaks trough. Truth is we have very little talent in this new generation, if any. And the little talent we got, lacks a spine and balls to make it trough.

 

[Maddy]

When did I snub any problem, I merely posted in agreement to Sal's post.

A confirmation of a shallow reply such as Sal's points towards snubbing, unless you elaborate.

You can put anything into cycles, but that doesn't explain why Italian football is in the shitter currently nor does it give an answer. It merely suggest that in time Italian football will be back, but it won't unless you break the cycle and currently very few clubs in Italy are doing the right thing to break it.

 

[Bianconero81]

On the surface, it might seem like a cycle, but it really isn't.

Here is the definition of a cycle:

an interval of time during which a sequence of a recurring succession of events or phenomena is completed (a 4-year cycle of growth and development).

a course or series of events or operations that recur regularly and usually lead back to the starting point.

 

[Maddy]

Any how. I'm out. I forgot how hard it is to teach.

Good luck on the marriage Hustina!

 

[Hust]

A confirmation of a shallow reply such as Sal's points towards snubbing, unless you elaborate.

You can put anything into cycles, but that doesn't explain why Italian football is in the shitter currently nor does it give an answer. It merely suggest that in time Italian football will be back, but it won't unless you break the cycle and currently very few clubs in Italy are doing the right thing to break it.

No, it doesn't point to "snubbing".

snub
snəb/
verb
gerund or present participle: snubbing

1.
rebuff, ignore, or spurn disdainfully.


Snubbing is done intentionally. Nothing I said (or Sal) suggested I (we) purposely rebuffed, ignored or spun anything other than making a simple statement of a specific point in time for Italian football.

 

[jakku7]

Isn't that exactly my point again?

I agree with you about the reasons of Serie A mediocrity at the moment, but I don't believe that without profound changes euro-zone economy will be able to thrive.

 

[TheLaz]

Roma looking to balance their books after a summer of spendings..

Maybe we can get Ljalic rather cheap?

 

[Maddy]

but I don't believe that without profound changes euro-zone economy will be able to thrive.

That's a whole other discussion we shouldn't take here

 

[Hust]

On the surface, it might seem like a cycle, but it really isn't.

Here is the definition of a cycle:

an interval of time during which a sequence of a recurring succession of events or phenomena is completed (a 4-year cycle of growth and development).

a course or series of events or operations that recur regularly and usually lead back to the starting point.

But suggesting this point of time isn't in a cycle essentially suggests that there is not going to be a point of return for Italian football.

And if there is a point when Italian Football (IF) get's back, then that point we are referring today in today's discussion is on a cycle because it came back to the point it once was.

Straight lines (A to B) can't be defined as circular and you are defining our current trajectory as such. Italian Football will get back to it's glory days, just not in the "usual" cycle you described earlier.

 

[Bianconero81]

Time is of the essence. If it took Italian football 7 years to recover from its former slump, then taking 20+ years to recover from its existing one doesn't make it a cycle in my book. The disparity is just too great.

 

[Maddy]

No, it doesn't point to "snubbing".

snub
snəb/
verb
gerund or present participle: snubbing

1.
rebuff, ignore, or spurn disdainfully.


Snubbing is done intentionally. Nothing I said (or Sal) suggested I (we) purposely rebuffed, ignored or spun anything other than making a simple statement of a specific point in time for Italian football.

When people have a discussion on why Italian football is in the shitter. Making a statement like "Cycles. They happen" is most definitely a snub. You ignore the premise on which the said discussion is being held by simplifying into a matter of "cycles".

 

[Hust]

Time is of the essence. If it took Italian football 7 years to recover from its former slump, then taking 20+ years to recover from its existing one doesn't make it a cycle in my book. The disparity is just too great.

Mathematics doesn't define a cycle or circle with one set size. And as Maddy suggests, there are too many issues at hand here, and unfortunately italy has a lot so of course its going to take longer than what we might be used to, for those of us who have watched Italian football for such a long time.

 

[Paid-off-Ref]

There is no reason whatsoever to think that this is cyclical. On top of that, that is the mentality you don't want if you want to improve the league.

 

[Hust]

When people have a discussion on why Italian football is in the shitter. Making a statement like "Cycles. They happen" is most definitely a snub. You ignore the premise on which the said discussion is being held by simplifying into a matter of "cycles".

No, it isn't a snub. As simple and blanketed as the statement is, is still quite accurate.

A circle is round. I'm not snubbing its diameter or radius, am I? My statement is true, regardless how detailed I was.