What is your god like? (15 Viewers)

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Martin

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    We approved we can't deny God existence how can we be sensible if we deny it now.
    It's a logical consequence. If we can't deny god then we can't deny Superman or Santa Claus or ghosts or anything supernatural. If we can deny Superman, we can deny god too.

    Pick the one you want.
     

    Raz

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    And what is not sensible here?

    Lets take an eg - Back in time people thought that the sky was heavens and thought it is gods work, that he arranges bright lights in the sky so that night wouldnt be so dark. And yet some people didnt believe that it was just that, and researched it and they found that the heavens are nothing but a natural thing.
     

    Hist

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    It's a logical consequence. If we can't deny god then we can't deny Superman or Santa Claus or ghosts or anything supernatural. If we can deny Superman, we can deny god too.

    Pick the one you want.
    well some people actually believe in ghosts.. Muslims believe in jinn.. children is santa clause.. and idiots in super man...
    the thing is that we know and admit we created santa clause and super man... however you cant prove jinn does not exists neither can you prove ghosts.. and the same for God....
    this sucks for theists unless they can list a criteria that differentiates divine-like shit from cartoon like shit.
    Divinelike shit is mentioned in divine like books.
     
    Jun 13, 2007
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    It's a logical consequence. If we can't deny god then we can't deny Superman or Santa Claus or ghosts or anything supernatural. If we can deny Superman, we can deny god too.

    Pick the one you want.
    No, again it's painful that you fail to see the alarming difference.

    I can literally prove to you that Superman and Santa Clause never existed, all we have to do is go to the place that created these cartoons and they will give us the information we want sure enough.

    We cannot deny the existence of God because you have absolutely NOTHING
    that conclusively proves to me that God does not exist. This this is merely your opinion; it has no logical grounds for it as far as I'm concerned.

    You say God is a logical impossibility, you do not have any evidence of stating such a bold claim. On what basis is God is a logical imposssibility?

    Let's see what that man with no knowledge has stated thus far.

    1) You deny validity of all religious texts because you claim to know they are all false.

    2) You do not accpet all the arguments for the existence of God although all of them are intelligible, rational, and very apparent evidence for the existence of a creator.

    Let's see.

    Evidence you have denied.

    I) The Moral Law. Upon more reading on the subject, it turns out what I was saying was not incorrect. An objective moral law is a law that must be accepted by all people. It states that our opinion does not decide what is right and what is wrong in some cases, thus an objective morality exists. Note that my use of the term 'objective morality', is different from your perception of the word 'objective'.

    2) The Origin of the Universe.

    3) The finetuning of the initial conditions of the universe in order for life to be possible.

    I can give you 7 more if you like but instead, I'd like to see you guys prove to me that an Objective Moral law does not exist, that the origin of the universe is in absolutely no need of a creator, that the fine turning of the initial conditions of the universe are indeed out of chance and not by intelligent design.

    I suggest you understand the subjects in hand first before posting your responses based on your common sense. We are talking about science here, a field you atheists seem to love, thus please scientifically prove to me that everything I stated above is all incorrect.

    Before you can do that, stating God is an impossibility is unintelligible and foolish.


    Not exactly what most christians say.. :D

    Because who created God?

    I gave many reasons. Why don't you read them instead of posting the same boring question that has already been answered?
     
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    No, again it's painful that you fail to see the alarming difference.

    I can literally prove to you that Superman and Santa Clause never existed, all we have to do is go to the place that created these cartoons and they will give us the information we want sure enough.
    But I can tell you that the cartoonist who created Superman was only drawing what Superman was telling him to draw.

    Now prove that I'm lying.
     
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    You say God is a logical impossibility, you do not have any evidence of stating such a bold claim. On what basis is God is a logical imposssibility?
    I told you yesterday. God is unintelligible. Pople say they believe in god but they have no idea what they believe in. That's an empty belief.

    Let's see what that man with no knowledge has stated thus far.

    1) You deny validity of all religious texts because you claim to know they are all false.
    That's right. Human fallibility, I told you yesterday.
     
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    Give me a direct eyewitness account of four people who were at no point in their lives Christian, then we'll talk. Don't try to put the burden of evidence on me here. You made a (stupid) statement and you won't be able to back it up with proof, but I want to see you struggle.

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    Why would a Christian eyewitness not suffice?

    Recall that at the time there was no benefit of being a Christian, in fact, Christians were condemned and tortured for centuries. Those who were Christian had no reciprocal gain from being Christian in their lifetime. There's no reason we should think they are lying, in fact, they would probably be the most reliable people for historical evidence.

    They had no reason to lie. They had been tortured because of their religion thus we can conclude if there was noting phenomenally real, they would have not done this.

    and there are skeptics among the witnesses, like I said all you have to do is a little reseach.


    I doubt they would use the same arguments JR is using. I think that if you do believe in God, the only thing you can say is that it's not a rational question. You don't know the principle behind it all, you just think there's some sort of guiding force in the universe and you don't take any sort of practical knowledge from that idea.
    Yeah, exactly. I find it very strange these people who want to "prove" to you that they can give a logical argument about their faith. It's faith right, there is no need for logic.
    I aim to disprove those who say, "faith is irrational" because to put it quite simply, this is false. Once you acknowledge this as a fact, my job will be done.
    I am deeply offended when shitwits, pardon my french, come to me and tell me I'm an idiot because I believe in God. It's funny because most of time, these people know nothing about cosmology, physics, biology, or philosophy, they merely claim to know everything about the existence of God to the meaning of life, I suppose these people are born with infinite knowledge of the world.
     
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    But I can tell you that the cartoonist who created Superman was only drawing what Superman was telling him to draw.

    Now prove that I'm lying.
    You can tell me that sure. Show me a direct quote from the cartoonist himself.

    I told you yesterday. God is unintelligible. Pople say they believe in god but they have no idea what they believe in. That's an empty belief.

    That's right. Human fallibility, I told you yesterday.
    I gave you a number of definitions for God. Read the Bible if you want more.

    Human fallability? That's a crock of shit and you know it. Why shiuld we believe any piece of history for that matter, in your case, nothing happened in history because humans are unreliable. Ridiculous, you can do better than that man.
     
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    So if I showed you that quote you would believe in Superman?
    If you gave me a quote that the cartoonist himself said, then we can't really say he was lying for sure now can we? Perhaps he has seen a ghost that told him to do so? Who am I to say he didn't?

    We can speculate that he might be delusional, but we can't say for sure.
     
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