What is your god like? (24 Viewers)

[Raz]

But even if you don't know how you agree it happened once right?

According to string theory it didnt happen once, it happens all the time, just that it doesnt happen in our dimension thats why we dont notice it. If you were refering to big bang.

 

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[Martin]

But even if you don't know how you agree it happened once right?

I agree something had to happen, because we know the big bang happened. Noone seems to know how the big bang happened though.

 

[Martin]

To make things even more interesting if once upon a time a long ago a thing evolved out of nothing why it isn't happening again?

Can a Zero figure in my high school math exam accidentally evolve to Seven causing me to lose in consequence the bachelor degree I hold today?

I think strictly speaking according to today's physics then it is possible. Just extremely unlikely. So unlikely that it would take a billion lifetimes of the universe to actually happen etc.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

According to string theory it didnt happen once, it happens all the time, just that it doesnt happen in our dimension thats why we dont notice it. If you were refering to big bang.

What is the chance of a new Big Bang starting from my left ball and evolving to a universe with life on it after a couple billions of years? huh?

One thing is certain the odds is better than the first Big Bang which started out of nullity, with my balls at least Big Bang has something to start with

 

[Martin]

What is the chance of a new Big Bang starting from my left ball and evolving to a universe with life on it after a couple billions of years? huh?

One thing is certain the odds is better than the first Big Bang which started out of nullity, with my balls at least Big Bang has something to start with

Bes was trying to tell you something earlier. If there is a chance of one to one billion that life will evolve on some planet in the universe, then if you have a billion planets in the universe, life *will* evolve on one of them. And since we think the universe is probably infinite that's no problem.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

I agree something had to happen, because we know the big bang happened. Noone seems to know how the big bang happened though.

So we both agree this something that once happened and cause the Big Bang isn't explainable using science or physics as we know it today.

I think strictly speaking according to today's physics then it is possible. Just extremely unlikely. So unlikely that it would take a billion lifetimes of the universe to actually happen etc.

A thing can NEVER evolve out of nothing not now, not in a billion year and not before a billion year.

 

[Martin]

So we both agree this something that once happened and cause the Big Bang isn't explainable using science or physics as we know it today.

Right. But 50 years ago we didn't know there would be such a thing as a computer or internet. 100 years ago we didn't know we would ever fly in the sky like birds. And 200 years ago we didn't know how life on earth started (evolution). And so on. And all of these discoveries seemed just as impossible then as what we don't know seems impossible now.

A thing can NEVER evolve out of nothing not now, not in a billion year and not before a billion year.

Maybe it didn't. Maybe the multiverse theory is right. That there is a big bang, then the universe expands, then it stops expanding, and then shrinks to zero and there is another big bang. Forever like that.

Or maybe there is some other explanation we don't know yet.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Bes was trying to tell you something earlier. If there is a chance of one to one billion that life will evolve on some planet in the universe, then if you have a billion planets in the universe, life *will* evolve on one of them. And since we think the universe is probably infinite that's no problem.

As Bes you are not getting what I'm saying.

Big Bang (1) started with a tiny ball which somehow came out of nothing/nullity.

Big Bang (2) starting with my ball (I do have balls) is more likely to happen since at least Big Bang have somthing to start with.

Right or wrong?

 

[Raz]

What is the chance of a new Big Bang starting from my left ball and evolving to a universe with life on it after a couple billions of years? huh?

One thing is certain the odds is better than the first Big Bang which started out of nullity, with my balls at least Big Bang has something to start with

Didnt you read what i wrote?

According to latest string M-theory which is the something special as was Ensteins theory of realitivity in its time there are not 4 dimensions, but 11 and some of dimension there is the couse of the big bang, dont ask me which, since i didnt do such a big study, but theory is there, just need practics. And LHC would have answered a lot of questions, but too bad it broke down. Well it will go up and running and it will answer even more questions and it will be clearer then then it is now, so dont be surprised that in your life time we will know even more than just where did big bang came from.

As I said just sit back and enjoy the ride of knowledge.

 

[Seven]

Do you have video footage of Alexander the great or Julius Caesar? Or for that matter any piece of history that goes back more than 500 years?

Ofcourse my evidence will come from people who believe in Jesus, if you saw a man performing miracles infront of your very own eyes and resurrecting from the dead, would you not believe in Jesus? In any case, eye witness accounts include skeptics as well as Jews. Really, try and research it.

Give me a direct eyewitness account of four people who were at no point in their lives Christian, then we'll talk. Don't try to put the burden of evidence on me here. You made a (stupid) statement and you won't be able to back it up with proof, but I want to see you struggle.

Hey, at the end of the day who isn't?

You and Martin seem utterly convinced that the Bible is just a big fairy tale and that God does not exist although you hold no evidence for either. You also maintain that anyone who claims to have experienced God is delusional. Ain't that a wee bit arrogant as well?

You say we shouldn't be so arrogant. So this is no real argument now.

 

[Seven]

Martin, isn't it funny how it would be difficult to have this discussion with someone from Scandinavia?

 

[Raz]

Maybe it didn't. Maybe the multiverse theory is right. That there is a big bang, then the universe expands, then it stops expanding, and then shrinks to zero and there is another big bang. Forever like that.

Or maybe there is some other explanation we don't know yet.

From what i have read, and to my current knowledge, universe will almost certainly wont collapse, it will expand forever, since what is holding universe together is dark matter, and what is expanding it is dark energy, and the later is far stronger and is much more common in universe. To my current knowledge newest fashion on the universe end is "The great rip" when dar energy will rip every atom apart, that will be a fun day

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Right. But 50 years ago we didn't know there would be such a thing as a computer or internet. 100 years ago we didn't know we would ever fly in the sky like birds. And 200 years ago we didn't know how life on earth started (evolution). And so on. And all of these discoveries seemed just as impossible then as what we don't know seems impossible now.



Maybe it didn't. Maybe the multiverse theory is right. That there is a big bang, then the universe expands, then it stops expanding, and then shrinks to zero and there is another big bang. Forever like that.

Or maybe there is some other explanation we don't know yet.

Universe origination is a question bugging mankind since his day one I guess, Computer and Internet are not comparable examples.

So until science find a PROVEN explanation the origin of this tiny little ball will still be mysterious and since it is mysterious you can never exclude the possibility that God created the tiny little ball or say God is 100% not existed.

 

[Martin]

Universe origination is a question bugging mankind since his day one I guess, Computer and Internet are not comparable examples.

So until science find a PROVEN explanation the origin of this tiny little ball will still be mysterious and since it is mysterious you can never exclude the possibility that God created the tiny little ball or say God is 100% not existed.

You can not exclude the possibility that Superman exists either, and it doesn't matter how much we know about the universe, you will never be able to prove that Superman doesn't exist.

 

[Raz]

Universe origination is a question bugging mankind since his day one I guess, Computer and Internet are not comparable examples.

So until science find a PROVEN explanation the origin of this tiny little ball will still be mysterious and since it is mysterious you can never exclude the possibility that God created the tiny little ball or say God is 100% not existed.

But dont you agree that mankind didnt had the tools back then and with time our tools will only improve our chances of knowing what really happened?

Could you honestly answer me this question - with time passing every other mith being denied, dont you think that chances are stacking up on science side more then on religious one?

 

[Martin]

Martin, isn't it funny how it would be difficult to have this discussion with someone from Scandinavia?

In a way yeah, I haven't met anyone back there who'd participate in a conversation like this. I'm sure they exist though.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Didnt you read what i wrote?

According to latest string M-theory which is the something special as was Ensteins theory of realitivity in its time there are not 4 dimensions, but 11 and some of dimension there is the couse of the big bang, dont ask me which, since i didnt do such a big study, but theory is there, just need practics. And LHC would have answered a lot of questions, but too bad it broke down. Well it will go up and running and it will answer even more questions and it will be clearer then then it is now, so dont be surprised that in your life time we will know even more than just where did big bang came from.

As I said just sit back and enjoy the ride of knowledge.

A thing can never evolve out of nothing/nullity. Science can never contradict that not now and not in a billion year from now.

 

[Seven]

In a way yeah, I haven't met anyone back there who'd participate in a conversation like this. I'm sure they exist though.

I doubt they would use the same arguments JR is using. I think that if you do believe in God, the only thing you can say is that it's not a rational question. You don't know the principle behind it all, you just think there's some sort of guiding force in the universe and you don't take any sort of practical knowledge from that idea.

 

[Martin]

From what i have read, and to my current knowledge, universe will almost certainly wont collapse, it will expand forever, since what is holding universe together is dark matter, and what is expanding it is dark energy, and the later is far stronger and is much more common in universe. To my current knowledge newest fashion on the universe end is "The great rip" when dar energy will rip every atom apart, that will be a fun day

It's really cool when the theoreticians get busy with their calculators and come up with new theories I'm going to CERN in the summer but unfortunately the LHC is not open for visits

 

[DelpieroForLife]

You can not exclude the possibility that Superman exists either, and it doesn't matter how much we know about the universe, you will never be able to prove that Superman doesn't exist.

You are clearly contradicting yourself by claiming you can never prove God doesn't exist yet you are 100% he doesn't.

How is that?