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Keep in mind that Belgians are crazy for luxury cars. Online I see people post stuff about having seen a Brabus G Wagon or a Lamborghini Urus once. Those are vehicles I see every week. Pretty much everyone and their mother owns a BMW X5.

And not all those people are rich. Far from it.

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What I don't get is how having kids is expensive but not driving those cars? Buying daycare for a year costs like 1/10 of those cars. Or more.
 

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Agreed.

However, I heard it today from my co-worker who's not the slightest liar. And I was so shocked he started laughing. But as I couldn't believe it he said he'd contact the guy right away and ask him, but I had no time to I had to leave. He did show me his linkedin profile (I know it's not a guarantee).

But yeah... just like I thought. Too crazy to be true.
it's simple. if this is true, he should have a letter from the university confirming this. ask him to show letter of confirmation that university acknowldges his work experience as substitute

see the thing is people that brag about things LOVE to show off proof. so he either will show the letter and u know it's true, or he won't and u know he faked details.

it's like the people that rent those private planes so they can sit in it and take photo without the plane even taking off. it's all illusion until u show receipts..

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What I don't get is how having kids is expensive but not driving those cars? Buying daycare for a year costs like 1/10 of those cars. Or more.
a kids day care can cost you about a 1000 per month lets say.

a luxury car on a lease with a couple of thousand down can cost you less than that.
 

Seven

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What I don't get is how having kids is expensive but not driving those cars? Buying daycare for a year costs like 1/10 of those cars. Or more.
The cars are very expensive. The people are just dumb.

Don't get me wrong. I still got a luxury car too. I like them as well. But only when I could afford one, meaning: after I made sure I could buy a house and buy my child everything it needed.

But every day I see people parking their 150k car in front of the 200k two bedroom apartment they live in with their three kids.

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Dutch healthcare is stupidly expensive and also very poor compared to Belgian healthcare.

A lot of things go wrong in Belgium too of course. But if you need it, you can get a world class surgeon to perform surgery on you tomorrow and it'll probably set you back 50 euros or something.

I don't know if we could use our system in much larger countries. But I do believe any decent society should have good healthcare at a low price, preferably even for free.

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I have some Belgian friends, we often compare the costs. We’re getting insanely expensive here, especially with healthcare you guys easily beat us. I’m not able to tell the differences about the quality of care though, from my experiences (+ friends, family etc) I never really hear bad stories. Costs rising for healthcare are one of the reasons I’ve been voting left for years. With housing you beat us too

The Netherlands is becoming a bit make or break. If you’re earning just above minimum wage the government won’t help you financially and as a result of that and the rising costs many people are struggling. I always think that more people are broke here than it seems
 

Seven

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it's all about payments. when you finance things over 8 or 9 years suddenly it's affordable but "just" enough.

lots of people are house poor or car poor. it's image
Most of it depends on what you want, you're right. I just don't understand the choices people make sometimes. But if someone wants a big car and live in a dump, really, who am I to criticise him?

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Most of it depends on what you want, you're right. I just don't understand the choices people make sometimes. But if someone wants a big car and live in a dump, really, who am I to criticise him?

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it's always fun to watch though. the same people lose their minds when gas prices go up a bit. thats' how you can telll they living on the edge.
 

Seven

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I have some Belgian friends, we often compare the costs. We’re getting insanely expensive here, especially with healthcare you guys easily beat us. I’m not able to tell the differences about the quality of care though, from my experiences (+ friends, family etc) I never really hear bad stories. Costs rising for healthcare are one of the reasons I’ve been voting left for years. With housing you beat us too

The Netherlands is becoming a bit make or break. If you’re earning just above minimum wage the government won’t help you financially and as a result of that and the rising costs many people are struggling. I always think that more people are broke here than it seems
Quality is better in Belgium too, especially when it comes to hospital care or surgeries. But quality is fine in the Netherlands.

Unfortunately our GP's are put under too much pressure these days though.

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Seven

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it's always fun to watch though. the same people lose their minds when gas prices go up a bit. thats' how you can telll they living on the edge.
Yeah, that's probably because strong engines in big cars are not exactly known for their great fuel economy.

My car is being repaired right now and I'm driving a Fiat 500 for the week lol. But it's insane how much cheaper it is. I feel like I'm driving for free.

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Quality is better in Belgium too, especially when it comes to hospital care or surgeries. But quality is fine in the Netherlands.

Unfortunately our GP's are put under too much pressure these days though.

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With kindertoeslag you beat us too btw. What we receive every 3 months is comparable to what Belgians receive monthly iirc. Social security overal is better in Belgium, Don Marco Rutte destroyed that for us.
 

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it's simple. if this is true, he should have a letter from the university confirming this. ask him to show letter of confirmation that university acknowldges his work experience as substitute

see the thing is people that brag about things LOVE to show off proof. so he either will show the letter and u know it's true, or he won't and u know he faked details.

it's like the people that rent those private planes so they can sit in it and take photo without the plane even taking off. it's all illusion until u show receipts..

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a kids day care can cost you about a 1000 per month lets say.

a luxury car on a lease with a couple of thousand down can cost you less than that.
I understood he said 450 per month and he called that expensive. Not saying it isn't but those cars are way worse.

The cars are very expensive. The people are just dumb.

Don't get me wrong. I still got a luxury car too. I like them as well. But only when I could afford one, meaning: after I made sure I could buy a house and buy my child everything it needed.

But every day I see people parking their 150k car in front of the 200k two bedroom apartment they live in with their three kids.

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Yeah. I get what you mean.

Pretty crazy how people want to show themselves in the best of light. Dress up nicely and drive a great car. But they live on a credit line and carry huge debts quite often. Not even gonna mention ignoring their kids.

Oh and let me make myself clear. If you make shitload of money I don't give a crap if you drive a 1 million dollar car. But I find it laughable when people have way bigger appetite than they can handle.
 

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With kindertoeslag you beat us too btw. What we receive every 3 months is comparable to what Belgians receive monthly iirc. Social security overal is better in Belgium, Don Marco Rutte destroyed that for us.
I think the Netherlands can be a bit of a nasty place sometimes. Like there can be so little mercy for people who get sick or become unemployed.

Belgium isn't some sort of socialist utopia and there are lots of things I'd like to change in our society. But I do think we are more forgiving towards people who have had a bit of bad luck.

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But every day I see people parking their 150k car in front of the 200k two bedroom apartment they live in with their three kids.
that's not just belgians, these are everywhere

(i'll get a new car when the current one literally falls apart. the new ones are shit anyway. 1 year old audi q1 of the belgian friend needed my old car's battery to jumpstart it. 1 year old car and the battery dies, how is that even possible lol)
 

Seven

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I understood he said 450 per month and he called that expensive. Not saying it isn't but those cars are way worse.



Yeah. I get what you mean.

Pretty crazy how people want to show themselves in the best of light. Dress up nicely and drive a great car. But they live on a credit line and carry huge debts quite often. Not even gonna mention ignoring their kids.

Oh and let me make myself clear. If you make shitload of money I don't give a crap if you drive a 1 million dollar car. But I find it laughable when people have way bigger appetite than they can handle.
It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to study finances and how to save and invest in school to be honest. It's actually kind of crazy that this is not a subject matter at all in most countries.

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Seven

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that's not just belgians, these are everywhere

(i'll get a new car when the current one literally falls apart. the new ones are shit anyway. 1 year old audi q1 of the belgian friend needed my old car's battery to jumpstart it. 1 year old car and the battery dies, how is that even possible lol)
The funny bit is it works the other way as well.

I won't give any names, but a relative of mine sold her house to the granddaughter of the founder of a pharmaceutical company. Her net worth is in the tens if not hundreds of millions.

The granddaughter drives a VW Tiguan lol.

It's not a bad car at all or anything. But if I was worth tens of millions, I wouldn't buy a Tiguan lol.

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I think the Netherlands can be a bit of a nasty place sometimes. Like there can be so little mercy for people who get sick or become unemployed.

Belgium isn't some sort of socialist utopia and there are lots of things I'd like to change in our society. But I do think we are more forgiving towards people who have had a bit of bad luck.

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Under Rutte’s reign we went from a country with a good socialistic foundation to neoliberalism, there’s indeed little room for sad stories. The government will help but financially it will be just enough to survive, those people don’t have a luxurious life at all.

Even though I’m often frustrated by decisions of the government, I also agree with the saying that the government is the last place you should look for help (unless youre sick/disabled of course).
 

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It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to study finances and how to save and invest in school to be honest. It's actually kind of crazy that this is not a subject matter at all in most countries.

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I think most of them are aware of what they're doing, though. I just think they are giving their best to fake their lives.

I had some friend who literally suffered when logged in to Instagram because she couldn't stand how some people are travelling and she can't. I'm not even exaggerating. The lives of others literally hurt her and I'm definitely sure if she had more money she'd be splashing it on all on the travels just so she could take pictures there. Such group of people would instantly change their life style if there was some world wide fuck up and somebody cuts off the Internet. Once they can't show it on the Internet and once they don't have something to brag about, it's over for them. So I think it's about the fake image and not being able to digest the idea of having a "worse life" than somebody (usually a random person).

However, I do agree with what you're saying as plenty definitely need teaching on how to save. At my job I'm managing to save quite a lot while majority of co-workers with higher wages (a lot) and with a similar lifestyle spend their entire wages after like 2 weeks and then live struggling each day. I mean wtf
 

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The funny bit is it works the other way as well.

I won't give any names, but a relative of mine sold her house to the granddaughter of the founder of a pharmaceutical company. Her net worth is in the tens if not hundreds of millions.

The granddaughter drives a VW Tiguan lol.

It's not a bad car at all or anything. But if I was worth tens of millions, I wouldn't buy a Tiguan lol.

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Not sure how it works abroad but over here I met quite a lot of people that try to stay out of radar. If they earn shitload of money they usually don't want to get noticed so they dress like shit and drive peasant cars lol
 

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I think most of them are aware of what they're doing, though. I just think they are giving their best to fake their lives.

I had some friend who literally suffered when logged in to Instagram because she couldn't stand how some people are travelling and she can't. I'm not even exaggerating. The lives of others literally hurt her and I'm definitely sure if she had more money she'd be splashing it on all on the travels just so she could take pictures there. Such group of people would instantly change their life style if there was some world wide fuck up and somebody cuts off the Internet. Once they can't show it on the Internet and once they don't have something to brag about, it's over for them. So I think it's about the fake image and not being able to digest the idea of having a "worse life" than somebody (usually a random person).

However, I do agree with what you're saying as plenty definitely need teaching on how to save. At my job I'm managing to save quite a lot while majority of co-workers with higher wages (a lot) and with a similar lifestyle spend their entire wages after like 2 weeks and then live struggling each day. I mean wtf
About your friend and Instagram: I don't understand that at all, but apparently it does happen.

I just don't get it though. There's always going to be someone who has more money or goes on more exciting trips.

Maybe it's because some of us believe we need to be insanely happy all of the time, while just being content is a great state to be in.

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Not sure how it works abroad but over here I met quite a lot of people that try to stay out of radar. If they earn shitload of money they usually don't want to get noticed so they dress like shit and drive peasant cars lol
Difference between showing people how much money you're trying to pretend you have, and trying to hide how much money you really have.
 

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