LowLife

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Jan 7, 2011
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or look at the other extreme, colombia of the 80s 90s. Neither you nor anyone else has any answers, but it seems to be working for malaysia.
That's what I though when I came here and I said Kudos to government it's working out. But it's not true, just because there are harsh laws people tend to do it. Almost everyone smokes weed, MDMA and other shiits are very popular too. Guess what, my friend went to customs to see what's going on with her bf and she told me the police was smoking it, cos she smelled it. It's not working at all. They suppose to take that drug and burn in but yet they just resell it to other dealers. That bothers me the hypocrisy. Worst is, dealers are protected by police, how in earth did he bring all the drugs in the country which is very strict about it? Again I say it was his fault and he was naive and people who were with him fuccked him in the end.
our personal differences aside,

i really hope somethings comes up which will sway this case away from being the end of your friend. it's $#@!ing bollocks and i'm terribly sorry that it's happening to him
Thanks, I appreciate it!
 

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LowLife

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Jan 7, 2011
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If you didn't have opportunity, but had access to drugs, you'd sell that $#@! too to make money don't kid yourself.

Don't give me some repeated argument about poisining other people. People who are selling drugs are doing it to further themselves just like everbody $#@!ing else in society. the legality should be irrelevant when trying to pass judgement
One could say same thing about a kid selling cigarettes on the street for living!
 

Nzoric

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Jan 16, 2011
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Any alcohol or cigarette producer/pedeller is just as much a drug dealer as anyone. Don't count out big pharmaceuticals either.
one thing is approved by society the other isn't. i'll probably die 20 years before i should if i continue smoking, i'd have to abuse the fuck out of illegal drugs to attain the same results.
 

Bisco

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Nov 21, 2005
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Any alcohol or cigarette producer/pedeller is just as much a drug dealer as anyone. Don't count out big pharmaceuticals either.
alcohol and ciggy's i could see yr point.pharmaceuticals ???? you cant put it in this category to be honest. thats medication, pharmaceutical firms cant be blamed if people abuse these meds..
 

X Æ A-12

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Sep 4, 2006
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alcohol and ciggy's i could see yr point.pharmaceuticals ???? you cant put it in this category to be honest. thats medication, pharmaceutical firms cant be blamed if people abuse these meds..
I disagree. Aggressive marketing and over prescription of pharmaceuticals for profit is a huge problem, in the US at least. It's actually a bigger threat than all the illicit drugs that come through here.

This is on a much bigger scale and those pushing it have far more blood on their hands than anyone selling rocks and trees on your street corner.
 

Bisco

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Nov 21, 2005
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I disagree. Aggressive marketing and over prescription of pharmaceuticals for profit is a huge problem, in the US at least.
i dont know if in the US they market non over the counter medications or not, bec that would be weird to be honest. but for arguments sake lets say this is the case, you cant have these medications dispensed to you with out a prescription from yr physician kyle, if you can get those drugs specially steroidal medications ( such as morphine and opium extracts) then the blame is surely on the pharmacist who is breaking the law and can get himself in to great danger with the FDA bec contrary to what u might think, these drugs specially ones i've mentioned that have a higher addictive properties are given to pharmacies in known and specific quantities. say pharmacy X for instance is given the all green to purchase and sell these drugs, there is a document that is issued stating pharmacy X received a number of canisters of drug A and each unit sold is cross referenced with the prescription used to dispense it, hence limiting any abuse on the pharmacists part.

if by over prescription, then thats not the fault of the pharmacists nor the pharmaceutical company kyle but the fault of the physician who keeps prescribing these medications and putting the health of his patient in danger.

my best friend is a pharmacist in jersey and when we talk about pharmacies in the US he tells me how strict it is, no prescription no medicine even if the guy is dying in front of you you just cant fetch him the medication he is begging for without the mentioned prescription.

just so you know as general knowledge for you, in pharmaceuticals the class of drugs that are used for there drug abuse properties include, all opium extracts which are also known as the steroidal inflammatory drugs and these include morphine, amphetamines, taramadol, etc etc and the less drastic effects are in cough medicines that include codeine which is a sedative that suppresses the cough center in the brain and when taken in high doses has drug like effects ( the high) and both are set are prescription drugs meaning you cant get them without one.
 

GordoDeCentral

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That's what I though when I came here and I said Kudos to government it's working out. But it's not true, just because there are harsh laws people tend to do it. Almost everyone smokes weed, MDMA and other shiits are very popular too. Guess what, my friend went to customs to see what's going on with her bf and she told me the police was smoking it, cos she smelled it. It's not working at all. They suppose to take that drug and burn in but yet they just resell it to other dealers. That bothers me the hypocrisy. Worst is, dealers are protected by police, how in earth did he bring all the drugs in the country which is very strict about it? Again I say it was his fault and he was naive and people who were with him fuccked him in the end.

Thanks, I appreciate it!
come on bro, slow it down with the assumptions :D as for corruption that obviously is a problem everywhere, the philosophical point here is deterrence and boy does it work
 

Bisco

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Nov 21, 2005
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In the US you tell your doctor what to prescribe you.
then that would make kyle's point valid i'm sorry i did'nt know that :) but non the less the blame should'nt fall on the firms producing these medications its in the ethics manual of Dr's that they have taken there oath based on to put the patients well being ahead of any thing else.
 

Lilith

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May 19, 2006
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My smoking habit affects me alone. His drug trafficking affects thousands at least. It leads to death, poverty, theft and others crimes an addict will do to get his hands on some of that. How can you say that death penalty for that 'incredibly harsh'? And how can you feel sorry for someone who's gonna die for choosing to get involved in life-threatening activities?
Without demand there is no supply. Without you, there would be no him. Still feeling so moral about the whole situation? How can you say he warrants the death penalty when you are as equally guilty as him?
 

Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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i dont know if in the US they market non over the counter medications or not, bec that would be weird to be honest. but for arguments sake lets say this is the case, you cant have these medications dispensed to you with out a prescription from yr physician kyle, if you can get those drugs specially steroidal medications ( such as morphine and opium extracts) then the blame is surely on the pharmacist who is breaking the law and can get himself in to great danger with the FDA bec contrary to what u might think, these drugs specially ones i've mentioned that have a higher addictive properties are given to pharmacies in known and specific quantities. say pharmacy X for instance is given the all green to purchase and sell these drugs, there is a document that is issued stating pharmacy X received a number of canisters of drug A and each unit sold is cross referenced with the prescription used to dispense it, hence limiting any abuse on the pharmacists part.

if by over prescription, then thats not the fault of the pharmacists nor the pharmaceutical company kyle but the fault of the physician who keeps prescribing these medications and putting the health of his patient in danger.

my best friend is a pharmacist in jersey and when we talk about pharmacies in the US he tells me how strict it is, no prescription no medicine even if the guy is dying in front of you you just cant fetch him the medication he is begging for without the mentioned prescription.

just so you know as general knowledge for you, in pharmaceuticals the class of drugs that are used for there drug abuse properties include, all opium extracts which are also known as the steroidal inflammatory drugs and these include morphine, amphetamines, taramadol, etc etc and the less drastic effects are in cough medicines that include codeine which is a sedative that suppresses the cough center in the brain and when taken in high doses has drug like effects ( the high) and both are set are prescription drugs meaning you cant get them without one.
Lemme tell you how it works. Pharmacies give you drugs, you give them a prescription and the money. You get the prescription from the doctor, who thanks to aggressive lobbying, kick backs, and patient pressure will give you a prescription for just about anything you ask. Hell, if he can't, hell probably give you enough free samples to keep you a month at least. Let's say you get too many prescriptions from one doctor and he cuts you off. Well what do you do? Go to another doctor and he'll hook you up. Heck, go to 5 or 6 doctors, maybe even 12 doctors. They'll all hook you up. That in a nutshell is a the problem.
 
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I agree with sheik. The law is there, mandatory death for drug trafficking (depending on the amount), dude went in the biz knowing exactly what he's got himself into. Whether he needed the money or if people do stupid things when desperate etc is redundant, these are things you know and consider before anything else.

I'm sorry, but I have zero sympathy for the guy. The argument that capital punishment for drug trafficking is too harsh is a different altogether. Personally, I endorse it. One way to look at it is of course it increases the value of the drug as someone mentioned before so it could backfire but I do believe reinforcing this could help reduce drug trafficking. I will look for stats if it supports this theory, but I'd imagine it's too big of a risk for anyone to simply go through it, hence the numbers would be reduced.

@King Mauricio - not true that they just 'choose' who to persecute. How your friend got caught, whether someone ratted him out is not the court's business, but malaysian courts have been very harsh with drug traffickers, they don't take to it kindly; foreigners or no. look at the barlow and chambers execution.
 

X Æ A-12

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i dont know if in the US they market non over the counter medications or not, bec that would be weird to be honest. but for arguments sake lets say this is the case, you cant have these medications dispensed to you with out a prescription from yr physician kyle, if you can get those drugs specially steroids medications ( such as morphine and opium extracts) then the blame is surely on the pharmacy who is breaking the law and can get himself in to great danger with the FDA bec contrary to what u might think, these drugs specially ones i've mentioned that have a higher addictive properties are given to pharmacies in known and specific quantities. say pharmacy X for instance is given the all green to purchase and sell these drugs, there is a document that is issued stating pharmacy X received a number of canisters of drug A and each unit sold is cross referenced with the prescription used to dispense it, hence limiting any abuse on the pharmacists part.

if by over prescription, then thats not the fault of the pharmacists nor the pharmaceutical company kyle but the fault of the physician who keeps prescribing these medications and putting the health of his patient in danger.

my best friend is a pharmacist in jersey and when we talk about pharmacies in the US he tells me how strict it is, no prescription no medicine even if the guy is dying in front of you you just cant fetch him the medication he is begging for without the mentioned prescription.

just so you know as general knowledge for you, in pharmaceuticals the class of drugs that are used for there drug abuse properties include, all opium extracts which are also known as the steroidal inflammatory drugs and these include morphine, amphetamines, taramadol, etc etc and the less drastic effects are in cough medicines that include codeine which is a sedative that suppresses the cough center in the brain and when taken in high doses has drug like effects ( the high) and both are set are prescription drugs meaning you cant get them without one.
I know all about what is illegal here and what isn't and in my experience people who want drugs get them pretty easily and there is plenty of blame to go around to pharmacies, doctors, drug companies.

forget opiates, there are massive amounts of psychoactive drugs for depression, ADD, social anxiety disorder and other crap that is exaggerated which are very cleverly advertised on television and simple to obtain prescriptions for and feed to people who are too clueless to realize they don't need it at all. Doctor's actually get paid by pharmaceutical companies for how many patients they put on prescriptions too. Pharmaceutical firms are also some of the most powerful lobbyists in the US so they can basically push through whatever they want.
 

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