What Are You Doing Right Now? (671 Viewers)

[sallyinzaghi]

also, anyone who compares drinking alcohol/smoking to taking serious drugs must be delusional.

 

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[X Æ A-12]

also, anyone who compares drinking alcohol/smoking to taking serious drugs must be delusional.

anyone who doesn't consider alcohol and tobacco to be serious drugs is delusional.

 

[Enron]

then that would make kyle's point valid i'm sorry i did'nt know that but non the less the blame should'nt fall on the firms producing these medications its in the ethics manual of Dr's that they have taken there oath based on to put the patients well being ahead of any thing else.

It's both. Corporations have a responsibility for the things they make and how they are marketed. It's pretty much stated in US case law, RE any major tobacco lawsuit, faulty toy, poisonous food lawsuit.

Doctors also have an obligation to their patients. However, they've forgotten they aren't bartenders.

 

[Bisco]

Lemme tell you how it works. Pharmacies give you drugs, you give them a prescription and the money. You get the prescription from the doctor, who thanks to aggressive lobbying, kick backs, and patient pressure will give you a prescription for just about anything you ask. Hell, if he can't, hell probably give you enough free samples to keep you a month at least. Let's say you get too many prescriptions from one doctor and he cuts you off. Well what do you do? Go to another doctor and he'll hook you up. Heck, go to 5 or 6 doctors, maybe even 12 doctors. They'll all hook you up. That in a nutshell is a the problem.

aaaaaaahhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa got you now!! sorry i guess i misunderstood u and kyle my bad. sadly lobbying has taken a whole new drift with more pharmaceuticals hitting the top ten lists this is beyond sad really. i thought the lobbying stopped at convincing dr;s the product had better properties but sadly as u have described it to me the more u prescribe the more benefit both parties stand to gain.

 

[Enron]

also, anyone who compares drinking alcohol/smoking to taking serious drugs must be delusional.

It's the same thing really. Drugs just have a worse affect on your body. Smokes, booze, bricks... all poison.

 

[Enron]

aaaaaaahhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa got you now!! sorry i guess i misunderstood u and kyle my bad. sadly lobbying has taken a whole new drift with more pharmaceuticals hitting the top ten lists this is beyond sad really. i thought the lobbying stopped at convincing dr;s the product had better properties but sadly as u have described it to me the more u prescribe the more benefit both parties stand to gain.

I think it's a combination of lobbying and the idea that it's okay to help out the patient. Not all doctors are like that, but enough are for there to be a problem.

 

[Bisco]

I know all about what is illegal here and what isn't and in my experience people who want drugs get them pretty easily and there is plenty of blame to go around to pharmacies, doctors, drug companies.

forget opiates, there are massive amounts of psychoactive drugs for depression, ADD, social anxiety disorder and other crap that is exaggerated which are very cleverly advertised on television and simple to obtain prescriptions for and feed to people who are too clueless to realize they don't need it at all. Doctor's actually get paid by pharmaceutical companies for how many patients they put on prescriptions too. Pharmaceutical firms are also some of the most powerful lobbyists in the US so they can basically push through whatever they want.

i get you now kyle sorry i misunderstood the scene at yr end my bad and i agree with u there is no difference

 

[Enron]

Yo Bisco, you'll probably be surprised but the most pharmaceutical drug abuse is among the elderly.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

anyone who doesn't consider alcohol and tobacco to be serious drugs is delusional.

THIS

And I know for an absolute fact that both of these legal drugs cause more deaths in Australia than any other "illicit drug".

You abuse anything and it becomes a problem.

 

[sallyinzaghi]

exactly, it's the degree of effect. for example, if you take the same amount * (not sure how to level or calibrate this for all alcohol, smoking and serious drugs); the effect would be the worst for drugs on the taker, not alcohol nor smoking. that's what I mean. it's the severity and likelihood of the affects of serious drugs that I reckon warrants the death penalty, for feeding that to society. of course you have long-term smokers who will die of lung cancer, or alcoholics and liver disease; but surely you cannot compare that to the effects of say heroin on a person?

 

[Bisco]

I think it's a combination of lobbying and the idea that it's okay to help out the patient. Not all doctors are like that, but enough are for there to be a problem.

def bro i've been warned by my friends who got jobs in these companies that you need to put aside yr moral's and this is not just bec of the factors u mentioned infact in Egypt for instance these big multi-nationals use bribes to get dr's to prescribe there drugs. if you dont well the dr has other offers to handle so u not bribing is yr loss and just yr loss bec if u fail to meet yr monthly quote you get a handful and might even miss out on yr incentive which is a huge sum.

 

[Enron]

THIS

And I know for an absolute fact that both of these legal drugs cause more deaths in Australia than any other "illicit drug".

You abuse anything and it becomes a problem.

Even paint and cans of air.

 

[LowLife]

I agree with sheik. The law is there, mandatory death for drug trafficking (depending on the amount), dude went in the biz knowing exactly what he's got himself into. Whether he needed the money or if people do stupid things when desperate etc is redundant, these are things you know and consider before anything else.

I'm sorry, but I have zero sympathy for the guy. The argument that capital punishment for drug trafficking is too harsh is a different altogether. Personally, I endorse it. One way to look at it is of course it increases the value of the drug as someone mentioned before so it could backfire but I do believe reinforcing this could help reduce drug trafficking. I will look for stats if it supports this theory, but I'd imagine it's too big of a risk for anyone to simply go through it, hence the numbers would be reduced.

@King Mauricio - not true that they just 'choose' who to persecute. How your friend got caught, whether someone ratted him out is not the court's business, but malaysian courts have been very harsh with drug traffickers, they don't take to it kindly; foreigners or no. look at the barlow and chambers execution.

I agree with first part and I said it before he should have known better.

Secondly, this was from the article:

Badaruddin said the department had conducted 32 drug busts this year, with more than 132kg of drugs worth RM21.6 million confiscated.

Along with the seizures, 31 foreigners and three locals were detained.

Read more: Drugs worth RM658,000 seized in raid.

It could be coincidence but without local people there is no way that foreigners would dare to do that. Law is too harsh and yet so much drugs going around, something must be wrong again see the figures from the article quoted. Personally I am against drugs, alcohol, and stuff but why play God's role, that I can't accept. No one has the rights to take somebody's life!

 

[Enron]

exactly, it's the degree of effect. for example, if you take the same amount * (not sure how to level or calibrate this for all alcohol, smoking and serious drugs); the effect would be the worst for drugs on the taker, not alcohol nor smoking. that's what I mean. it's the severity and likelihood of the affects of serious drugs that I reckon warrants the death penalty, for feeding that to society. of course you have long-term smokers who will die of lung cancer, or alcoholics and liver disease; but surely you cannot compare that to the effects of say heroin on a person?

Is society not responsible for its own choices? Smack dealers don't exactly hold you down and shoot you up.

 

[Bisco]

Yo Bisco, you'll probably be surprised but the most pharmaceutical drug abuse is among the elderly.

oh dear god!!! i'm shocked to be honest aaron. i know yr health system is'nt one of the leading systems but i always felt there was a line however thin and blurry these companies and dr's wont cross but turns out these lines exist for normal people who have not been sucked into thinking with a corporate mentality.

 

[X Æ A-12]

exactly, it's the degree of effect. for example, if you take the same amount * (not sure how to level or calibrate this for all alcohol, smoking and serious drugs); the effect would be the worst for drugs on the taker, not alcohol nor smoking. that's what I mean. it's the severity and likelihood of the affects of serious drugs that I reckon warrants the death penalty, for feeding that to society. of course you have long-term smokers who will die of lung cancer, or alcoholics and liver disease; but surely you cannot compare that to the effects of say heroin on a person?

Severity compared to what thought? I've dabbled in illicit substances and I still feel quite certain that the most dangerous and harmful drug i've ever touched is alcohol (and I will type that with a beer in my left hand right now ). I NEVER touch cigarettes.

Heroin is a bad example. You're trying to talk about "illicit drugs" as a whole and you pick like the most dangerous and addictive one which isn't remotely comparable to something like cannabis.

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Yo Bisco, you'll probably be surprised but the most pharmaceutical drug abuse is among the elderly.

Yea and more people die from oxycontin every year than all illegal drugs combined.

 

[Enron]

Secondly, this was from the article:
It could be coincidence but without local people there is no way that foreigners would dare to do that. Law is too harsh and yet so much drugs going around, something must be wrong again see the figures from the article quoted. Personally I am against drugs, alcohol, and stuff but why play God's role, that I can't accept. No one has the rights to take somebody's life!

I say don't sell drugs in Malaysia.

 

[X Æ A-12]

I agree with first part and I said it before he should have known better.

Secondly, this was from the article:
It could be coincidence but without local people there is no way that foreigners would dare to do that. Law is too harsh and yet so much drugs going around, something must be wrong again see the figures from the article quoted. Personally I am against drugs, alcohol, and stuff but why play God's role, that I can't accept. No one has the rights to take somebody's life!

Like I said, the harsh punishment is hardly a deterrent when it skyrockets the value of the drugs.

 

[Enron]

oh dear god!!! i'm shocked to be honest aaron. i know yr health system is'nt one of the leading systems but i always felt there was a line however thin and blurry these companies and dr's wont cross but turns out these lines exist for normal people who have not been sucked into thinking with a corporate mentality.

We have an aging population and a lot of folks aren't dealing with it too well. Plus we don't really value our elderly, there is a huge generational gap and elderly people end of living alone. So a lot of them resort to taking some extract pain meds after their knee replacement.

 

[LowLife]

exactly, it's the degree of effect. for example, if you take the same amount * (not sure how to level or calibrate this for all alcohol, smoking and serious drugs); the effect would be the worst for drugs on the taker, not alcohol nor smoking. that's what I mean. it's the severity and likelihood of the affects of serious drugs that I reckon warrants the death penalty, for feeding that to society. of course you have long-term smokers who will die of lung cancer, or alcoholics and liver disease; but surely you cannot compare that to the effects of say heroin on a person?

Double standards. Weed is not as harmful as cigarettes. Yet governments legalize cigarettes. It's hypocritical of me to talk shiit about cigarettes because I am a heavy smoker myself but still it pisses my off how government's biggest taxes comes from alcohol and cigarettes.