US Presidential Elections thread - the fate of the world to be decided (14 Viewers)

[Martin]

Or take a look at this: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3142511.ece

What kind of bullshit is this? Praying to end paedophilia. It's clear that these people have problems, they have sexual urges they can't control and what better way to cure this than to pray. Yeah, why don't you drop a glass off the table and pray that it doesn't fall to the ground, that's gonna be equally effective.


What's more is incensing is that the church apparently has no greater cause than:

Cardinal Hummes said that the aim was to put a definitive stop to a scandal that had damaged the image of the Church and forced US archdioceses, including Boston and Los Angeles, to pay millions of dollars in compensation to the victims. He said that the scandal was exceptionally serious, although it was probably caused by “no more than 1 per cent” of the 400,000 Catholic priests around the world.

Yeah, let's put an end to the scandals, that's really important. What about the victims, you morons?

You would think an organization that is all about judging people and telling them off would take a harder look at itself and its own failings.

At least the previous guy had more sense in him:

in 2003 by Pope John Paul II to a meeting of American churchmen in which he said: “The abuse which has caused this crisis is rightly considered a crime by society and is also an appalling sin in the eyes of God. People need to know that there is no place in the priesthood and religious life for those who would harm the young.”

This Pope Benedict XVI just seems like an ignorant troll to me.

 

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[Snoop]

But this is what my God, Abd-al Rahman I call him, tells me to believe. Arabs and Jews are filthy creatures who need to be wiped clean from the earth. I'm sorry, but that's my religion and I'm entitled to believe anything I want.

Right?

This is exactly why you are idiot. There is nothing of that written in those books. If there were things written like that, no one would value those books. So before you say rubbish things like this, have some knowledge about a topic you want to discuss to.

Dissing the theory of evolution makes you an idiot. No matter what inane argument you come up with next.

I am not dissing anything, read it again. I said I don't believe any of these two sides. Not believing in something doesn't mean I am dissing it. Stop being Idiot starting from right now!

No, you don't understand. This is what "belief" means. Seven is just exaggerating to make a point, but when we're talking about believing in something and that "everyone is free to believe anything they want", that literally means ANYTHING.

Now you are acting like a child Martin, more like Seven, picking words and going off topic.

Ok! to make you easier to understand. Some believe in Evolution, some believe in Cows, monkeys, others believe in Abdul Rahman, others believe in Jesus Trio and others believe in Statue. Everyone is free to believe whatever bullshit they want to, If everyone will diss each others for what they believe, and call each others Idiot, then all of you who take a part of this insults are no different than each others. Evolution isn't 100% pure fact. It might be true or not, for me it is no different than religions as no one can explain me where I was before this life, and where I will be next, or how this life started.

That's it from me!

 

[GordoDeCentral]

jolly good show snoop!

 

[Seven]

This is exactly why you are idiot. There is nothing of that written in those books. If there were things written like that, no one would value those books. So before you say rubbish things like this, have some knowledge about a topic you want to discuss to.



I am not dissing anything, read it again. I said I don't believe any of these two sides. Not believing in something doesn't mean I am dissing it. Stop being Idiot starting from right now!



Now you are acting like a child Martin, more like Seven, picking words and going off topic.

Ok! to make you easier to understand. Some believe in Evolution, some believe in Cows, monkeys, others believe in Abdul Rahman, others believe in Jesus Trio and others believe in Statue. Everyone is free to believe whatever bullshit they want to, If everyone will diss each others for what they believe, and call each others Idiot, then all of you who take a part of this insults are no different than each others. Evolution isn't 100% pure fact. It might be true or not, for me it is no different than religions as no one can explain me where I was before this life, and where I will be next, or how this life started.

That's it from me!

Wow. You missed the point 4 times.

Oh and for the record: evolution is a 100% proven fact. I'm sorry, Snoop.

 

[Snoop]

and what point is that? your insults?

 

[Seven]

and what point is that? your insults?

God, this is really sad.

I'll try to make things a bit easier for you. This is what you say:
everyone is entitled to his own belief.

I'm saying I disagree and I give an example:
what if I were to say I believe in Abd-al Rahman who says I have to kill all muslims and Jews, would I be entitled to that belief?

Also note that I never mentioned books, yet you answered with "there is nothing written about that in those books"..

I guess that shows how small your frame of mind is.

 

[.zero]

I'll try to make things a bit easier for you. This is what you say:
everyone is entitled to his own belief.

I'm saying I disagree and I give an example:
what if I were to say I believe in Abd-al Rahman who says I have to kill all muslims and Jews, would I be entitled to that belief?

yes you are

 

[Snoop]

I thought I replied that post.. sometimes I think of killing you . is that bad? What is your point here, seriously?

 

[Seven]

yes you are

No, I'm not, you fucktard (mind you I can say fucktard, because in my belief that's okay). Could you even begin to imagine the consequences?

 

[Seven]

I thought I replied that post.. sometimes I think of killing you . is that bad? What is your point here, seriously?

You didn't exactly reply. You said some mumbo jumbo about "those" books. If you wanted it to be a non sequitur, I apologise.

 

[Snoop]

No, I'm not, you fucktard (mind you I can say fucktard, because in my belief that's okay). Could you even begin to imagine the consequences?

that's not a belief hector, that's an action.

 

[Seven]

that's not a belief hector, that's an action.

But my belief says the action is alright.

You're not going to go against my belief, right? You wouldn't dare to put my belief up for debate, right? I'm entitled to my belief.

 

[.zero]

No, I'm not, you fucktard (mind you I can say fucktard, because in my belief that's okay). Could you even begin to imagine the consequences?

you said that if you did believe

thus making it a belief

i'm going to assume that you were playing around and you are smarter than actually saying something to contradict yourself

 

[Seven]

you said that if you did believe

thus making it a belief

i'm going to assume that you were playing around and you are smarter than actually saying something to contradict yourself

Name me two religions that don't have practical implications. If I believe all muslims must be killed, I'm going to kill a muslim or two. If anything, that's what reality has shown us.

If I didn't kill a muslim I would go against my belief. And that is, quite obviously, impossible.

 

[Martin]

that's not a belief hector, that's an action.

Tell me what does action result from? Belief, thank you.

If you didn't believe you were thirsty, would you go have a drink?

 

[Snoop]

You didn't exactly reply. You said some mumbo jumbo about "those" books. If you wanted it to be a non sequitur, I apologise.

no sequitor is exactly what you are doing. How do you relate believeing the existence of God to believing in killing or insulting. Hector, you are missing my point here. Religion is something different, and believing in Super power, God, is something else.

Probably you think I am extremist Religious person, and I am not that, but when it comes to religion, you are no different than religious extremists. Because you are not an Atheist, but you are an extremist Anti-religion person. Which is at the same level of being a extremist religious. Admit it, you can't discuss this topic like in civilized way, you express your hate and anger. So whatever I say, won't make you think, you will just stay hating religions gods and religious people.

 

[Seven]

no sequitor is exactly what you are doing. How do you relate believeing the existence of God to believing in killing or insulting. Hector, you are missing my point here. Religion is something different, and believing in Super power, God, is something else.

Probably you think I am extremist Religious person, and I am not that, but when it comes to religion, you are no different than religious extremists. Because you are not an Atheist, but you are an extremist Anti-religion person. Which is at the same level of being a extremist religious. Admit it, you can't discuss this topic like in civilized way, you express your hate and anger. So whatever I say, won't make you think, you will just stay hating religions gods and religious people.

First off: what the fuck is a no sequitor? I spelled it out for you FFS. Can't you even copy and paste? Dear god.

Look, MY GOD tells me to kill people. If I believe in the existence of that God I don't have a choice. It all depends on which God you choose to believe in. And you're right, I'm no atheist. I'm agnostic, as every sane person should be. And yes, I do express hate and anger. And you know why? BECAUSE IT'S NOT OKAY TO BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU WANT!

 

[.zero]

Name me two religions that don't have practical implications. If I believe all muslims must be killed, I'm going to kill a muslim or two. If anything, that's what reality has shown us.

If I didn't kill a muslim I would go against my belief. And that is, quite obviously, impossible.

i'm not sure if you are dissenting with me but all I'm saying is that if I say "No, you or anyone else is not entitled to your respective beliefs, etc.." whether or not I agree/disagree with those beliefs I would be battered with hateful responses and insults from the brilliant members on this forum. I never said I agreed/disagreed with your example, I never said it was wrong or rite (obviously we know the politically correct thing to do). But at the end of the day if I approach you and tell you that what you believe in is invalid and disallowed then I think there would be a problem.

 

[Eddy]

Obama for president

 

[Snoop]

Tell me what does action result from? Belief, thank you.

If you didn't believe you were thirsty, would you go have a drink?

Do you act against everything you don't believe? why don't you go off and kill these Religionists, let's say the law will allow you so, will you do that?

where is this topic going to exactly? you know why I used the word belief and what I did refer the word belief to, since I was talking about religion. Maybe I used the wrong word and didn't express my thought exactly. tell me this, will it change the meaning if I used the word Faith, having faith? I am not trying to get over this argument, but I may use the wrong words in English language!