US Presidential Elections thread - the fate of the world to be decided (142 Viewers)
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When you asked where is this thread going at least I know where it started: creationism. The idea of teaching (which is a trend currently) creationism as an "alternate view" to evolution in SCIENCE class is completely absurd. That's what I'm talking about, not about killing.
Precisely. Which is what makes religion dangerous, because it has been use all these centuries to motivate people to bring out the worst in themselves, all these things you mention. If religion tells you "those people are going to hell" and "you must love and protect our sect", it doesn't take very much for some twisted religious scholar to translate that into "those people need to be killed".
The worst instincts are in us, but religion is just about the most powerful force that is able to bring them out. Also bring out the good in us, for that matter, but that's not dangerous so it doesn't make me worry.
I think we've come full circle. You said education. What are the values this education is based on? When religion *determines* what "teaching" is going be about, how can you possibly have an objective education? That's impossible.
The one very big problem with religion is that it attacks kids when they are much too young to understand the consequences. We baptize infants, we put kids through religious rituals. We *teach them* that this is "normal". How can you then expect them to have a rational stand on the issue?
Precisely. Which is what makes religion dangerous, because it has been use all these centuries to motivate people to bring out the worst in themselves, all these things you mention. If religion tells you "those people are going to hell" and "you must love and protect our sect", it doesn't take very much for some twisted religious scholar to translate that into "those people need to be killed".
The worst instincts are in us, but religion is just about the most powerful force that is able to bring them out. Also bring out the good in us, for that matter, but that's not dangerous so it doesn't make me worry.
I think we've come full circle. You said education. What are the values this education is based on? When religion *determines* what "teaching" is going be about, how can you possibly have an objective education? That's impossible.
The one very big problem with religion is that it attacks kids when they are much too young to understand the consequences. We baptize infants, we put kids through religious rituals. We *teach them* that this is "normal". How can you then expect them to have a rational stand on the issue?
For those who look happy that Bush Jr. will be leaving the white house should refresh their memory a bit. It wont really make a difference in the States/world whether Obama or Clinton will come.
Thats how United States policy goes, world's strongest country.... It's more like a book but the only diff is how the teacher will apply It. So I don't really see a diff out there.
Thats how United States policy goes, world's strongest country.... It's more like a book but the only diff is how the teacher will apply It. So I don't really see a diff out there.
This discussion will really go very far if we continue. I don't take neither of creationism nor evolution as fact. Because they still can't explain me the start of everything, the time etc.. One of them says it is impossible to understand it since we have limited logic (that's by god), the other says it all started from an energy? or whatever it is, but still none of them can convince me and feel 100% sure, so I only choose to ignore both of them and move on. Believe whatever you want, that's fine by me, and let others believe the way they want. (@seven: this was my original point Hector!).
AFAIK Christianity doesn't really teach you to differ people from each others (maybe you are mixing it with Islam, cause there are quotes like that I think), but yeah it gives quotes like "going to hell, burning in hell" which are unpleasant and scares people, to take control. But only uneducated people or those with weak personality get affected. But sure I agree with you it can be used very easily as a tool to direct or force people to act with out of their will. I don't mind having religious books, I won't even mind religious education, but I mind it when it is done with force and misused. I myself don't see bible as religious book anymore, but I can't deny that it did bring a lot of good out of me!
What can I say, I have been through it, and now I am to this point that I can take anything. But sadly, I have to agree with you that it has been misused very badly and washed millions of heads out there. But it's up to parents Martin to put limits. The thing is it is being used mostly by religious people, they are making lots of money, and specially pope, I mean look at the way he is living for doing nothing!
AFAIK Christianity doesn't really teach you to differ people from each others (maybe you are mixing it with Islam, cause there are quotes like that I think), but yeah it gives quotes like "going to hell, burning in hell" which are unpleasant and scares people, to take control. But only uneducated people or those with weak personality get affected. But sure I agree with you it can be used very easily as a tool to direct or force people to act with out of their will. I don't mind having religious books, I won't even mind religious education, but I mind it when it is done with force and misused. I myself don't see bible as religious book anymore, but I can't deny that it did bring a lot of good out of me!
What can I say, I have been through it, and now I am to this point that I can take anything. But sadly, I have to agree with you that it has been misused very badly and washed millions of heads out there. But it's up to parents Martin to put limits. The thing is it is being used mostly by religious people, they are making lots of money, and specially pope, I mean look at the way he is living for doing nothing!
No candidate is pro or anti abortion, they are either pro-life or pro-choice.
Pro life means they think there should be no abortion, pro-choice means you think women should have the ability to choose to or not to have a child....it's not pro abortion, it's for the choice.
But Obama and myself are both Pro-Choice.
Pro life means they think there should be no abortion, pro-choice means you think women should have the ability to choose to or not to have a child....it's not pro abortion, it's for the choice.
But Obama and myself are both Pro-Choice.
You know this reminds me going back to 2004 (and earlier) how certain people around here came under heavy fire for defending that whole "we must defend ourselves" mantra and talking like they were considering voting for Bush again.
One of the arguments that came through was basically "you worry about your own countries, this is our country and you have no business interfering". It's 2008 and can you find a more ironic statement after Iraq? If the US didn't want to have anything to do with other nations that would be one thing, but it's the world's most interventionist butting-into-our-affairs state in the world. And US politics not only affects Americans, it affects a ton of other people.
After 7 years of Bush I wonder if the US could be in a worse position economically.
One of the arguments that came through was basically "you worry about your own countries, this is our country and you have no business interfering". It's 2008 and can you find a more ironic statement after Iraq? If the US didn't want to have anything to do with other nations that would be one thing, but it's the world's most interventionist butting-into-our-affairs state in the world. And US politics not only affects Americans, it affects a ton of other people.
After 7 years of Bush I wonder if the US could be in a worse position economically.
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Or don't get raped.
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