That's not the point. Nor has anyone said that. The point is that when you put someone in a position of power, the only way you can make them not abuse this power (because this is how pathetic we humans are) is to bust his ass if he does.
really ??
Actually you may want to reread your posts because that is the impression you give. And you do pick on Vinnie all the time. I don't think either of you have had to deal with the kind of situations police officers have to deal with all the time. There has to be a huge paranoia/stress factor going on these days. My opinion is that there are certain steps one can take towards getting your ass kick, ie. running your mouth, acting crazy, or resisting arrest. I'm not saying it's right to kick the shit out of some guy, but in most cases the cops probably didn't just swoop him off the street just to kick his ass.
Martin knows two things- his bicycle and his penis
The reason why Martin "picks on" Vinni is because Vinni doesn't seem to accept the fact that there are a lot of corrupt cops out there. I respect city cops such as Vinni and others who have to deal with real danger, not some nonsense such as underage drinking, which is all the police seem to care about here. Small town cops get very little respect from me - total assholes.
And the police aren't always the good guys, Eazy. Just take a look at the entire NYPD while Rudy was running the town.
the entire 30,000 members of the NYPD are dirty...or did you mean to say 29,900 out of 30,000 ??
I seem to recall that when Rudy was in charge of the city, violent crime was way down...maybe cops putting fear into the criminals wasnt such a bad idea
I don't pick on him for being a cop, I'm trying to "reach him" as a guy who happens to be a cop who seems incredibly oblivious to a lot of the crap that Andy and others are outraged about. The fact that he's a cop is incidental here, except for the fact that he's defended some really bad cop conduct a couple of times in the past. He's the expert witness if you will. And if you see a cop abusing his power on some guy one day, wouldn't you somehow feel like you wanted to be reassured by a cop friend of yours that this was unacceptable?
Well you know something? I'm not a surgeon either and I don't know what it's like to be one. But when a surgeon I entrust to perform an operation takes out the wrong kidney or some other major fuckup, I don't care that I don't know what it's like to be him. What we're talking about here is minimal standards of job performance. Noone can reasonably judge the subtleties of every profession, you'd have to know every job. But if I'm an IT guy working for a bank and I make some elementary mistake that causes 500 bank accounts to get compromised including Vinni's, does he have a right to be pissed? Fuck yes. Does he know anything about my job in this hypothetical scenario? No. But the least you expect from a bank is to keep your money safe.
Every job comes with a certain liability factor. The most damage you can do if you screw up. Cop is pretty high on the list, considering they prance around with weapons.
That video Andy just posted. Is there ANY justification for that? Was the woman's life being threatened by the guy in the wheel chair? Did he say he had a bomb in the wheelchair? Enough with the bullshit already, this is outright abuse and let's call a spade a spade.
So if I'm a baggage handler for an airline and you're an asshole customer who treats me badly I can sell your luggage? If he's being an asshole, I'm going to be an asshole, an eye for an eye, yes?
I utterly reject this kind of argument. It goes against everything I believe in. It doesn't matter that a guy is behaving badly or threateningly. It's not the job of a cop to exact some philosophical notion of justice, only the law. I've heard this line from several people now and it really pisses me off. "If he hadn't acted like that he wouldn't get his ass kicked. When a cop tells you to do something, you do it." This is supposed to be the land of the free? Are you fucking kidding me? Where is my freedom to act however I want to act as long as I'm not being a direct threat??? It's not the job of cops to beat people up. Period.
Where is our humanitarianism? Can we not give people a chance despite themselves? If you were paranoid or depressed or drugged up or whatever and it was you out there, wouldn't you want to be given a chance and be treated decently? Where the hell is our decency in all this?
serious, pee-wee, save your arguments. If a cop is dirty, than he deserves what he gets...all I said is that videos dont always tell the whole story. I dont condone cops beating anyone, either....but if someone fights with me, and I defend myself and make an arrest, and the video only begins when I initiate the arrest, and thats all ppl get to see, then I think thats pretty fucked up
I've actually changed my mind on this point. I don't think the cops are as guilty as I first thought. It's actually much worse than that. These devices are being manufactured by a company called Taser International (and probably other companies) who are stonewalling on the issue (obviously!) that tasers are unsafe and potentially lethal. This is what happens when you take the brilliant ideology that every public service should be privatized and put it with the corrupt bunch of fucks in the Senate that allows companies ("who have a responsibility to their shareholders", a line we hear all the time) to cut corners on the way to easy profit. This has manifested itself on many levels, from unchecked pollution to allowing unsafe foods and so on.
You take a public service like health care, you privatize it putting it in the hands of companies who by definition only have one motive: profit, and you fail to regulate their behavior. So now you have these companies deciding what this public service is going to be like.
In the case of the tasers I imagine some moron politicians have decided to push this backed by lobbyists for the taser company. The company has been fast tracked by whatever regulatory body that is supposed to make sure dangerous products are not made legal. Then police units get these devices and try them on themselves or something, not realizing how dangerous they really are, because the damage is internal and it doesn't show. And then they liberally (in this case no way they aren't guilty) use them on people. And in most cases they work as advertised, in some cases people die. Who's to blame? Everyone, not just the cops.
I've been hit with the taser, and it DOESN'T do any permanent damage, as you say
And for you to say that cops use it
liberally is a fucking ignorant statement
Give me some stats, jerk-off....tell me how many cops have them in the USA, how many times they've used them during arrests, and their total arrests for the year, so we can draw up some percentages
Oh, you cant come up with any ?? You can only tell me that you've seen reports on the news about the big, bad naughty cops in the states that shock people for no apparent reason....I think when I go back to work, I'll just pick some random guy on the street, and tase him for Martin, the king of ignorance
The truth is I got tased, I didnt like it, and wont subject others to it, unless I absolutely have to.....but that still isnt good enough for some here
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