I think the good part of the US are ready for a black President, as in anywhere that does not have a bunch of hicks.
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I think Obama has proven that even in "hick" parts of the country, people are beginning to like him. Andy you should probably quit calling people hicks, even if they are, basically because it alienates perspective voters from our party. The outlook that the Democratic party was only for those who were wealthy and intelligent is what lead us to loose the church and blue collar vote under Clinton.
I think America is finally catching up on the rest of the world who have had leaders of color and women as leaders. And its about damn time.
I think America is finally catching up on the rest of the world who have had leaders of color and women as leaders. And its about damn time.
That's because the dumbass Republicans apparently think McCain isn't a conservative, even though he does prance around with conservative ideas. He's labelled as a flip flopper in moderate views, so that's another reason why they equate him to Kerry. I hope they run him out of the party. 
I guess that eliminates everything south of the good ol mason dixon 
But that doesn't automatically equate to guaranteed votes in those "hick" states does it? I don’t want to be naïve about it. But I do hope you're right on the whole catching up thing, cuz IMO I think we're a long way off landing on that runway.
But that doesn't automatically equate to guaranteed votes in those "hick" states does it? I don’t want to be naïve about it. But I do hope you're right on the whole catching up thing, cuz IMO I think we're a long way off landing on that runway.
I guess that eliminates everything south of the good ol mason dixon
But that doesn't automatically equate to guaranteed votes in those "hick" states does it? I don’t want to be naïve about it. But I do hope you're right on the whole catching up thing, cuz IMO I think we're a long way off landing on that runway.
But that doesn't automatically equate to guaranteed votes in those "hick" states does it? I don’t want to be naïve about it. But I do hope you're right on the whole catching up thing, cuz IMO I think we're a long way off landing on that runway.
Though you also have to realize that many blacks in this country are also expecting Obama to be shot should he win the Democratic nomination.
The wounds of MLK and even white civil rights advocates of the 1960's still run deep, even if they aren't as much in the memory of the mainstream public.
Replace the "patriot" part with "ignoramus", and you almost have George W.umpkin:
The wounds of MLK and even white civil rights advocates of the 1960's still run deep, even if they aren't as much in the memory of the mainstream public.
Replace the "patriot" part with "ignoramus", and you almost have George W.
umpkin:I see what you're saying about the diversity of Obama's supporters, but I just don't know if its true support because come November while those "hicks" are in that booth where no one is watching or judging is when the real comes out.
My uncle lives in Wheeling and he was telling us that a lot of people in WV that he knows are Obama supporters so I can see what you are saying.
Like I said, all we can do is wait 'til November right?
My uncle lives in Wheeling and he was telling us that a lot of people in WV that he knows are Obama supporters so I can see what you are saying.
Like I said, all we can do is wait 'til November right?
I see what you're saying about the diversity of Obama's supporters, but I just don't know if its true support because come November while those "hicks" are in that booth where no one is watching or judging is when the real comes out.
My uncle lives in Wheeling and he was telling us that a lot of people in WV that he knows are Obama supporters so I can see what you are saying.
Like I said, all we can do is wait 'til November right?
My uncle lives in Wheeling and he was telling us that a lot of people in WV that he knows are Obama supporters so I can see what you are saying.
Like I said, all we can do is wait 'til November right?
Yeah, heard about that one. How sad that these are reported on a weekly-monthly basis.
That's not the point. Nor has anyone said that. The point is that when you put someone in a position of power, the only way you can make them not abuse this power (because this is how pathetic we humans are) is to bust his ass if he does.
We need cops and having cops is a lot better than not having them. Having bad cops is worse than not having any.
That's not the point. Nor has anyone said that. The point is that when you put someone in a position of power, the only way you can make them not abuse this power (because this is how pathetic we humans are) is to bust his ass if he does.
We need cops and having cops is a lot better than not having them. Having bad cops is worse than not having any.
Actually you may want to reread your posts because that is the impression you give. And you do pick on Vinnie all the time. I don't think either of you have had to deal with the kind of situations police officers have to deal with all the time. There has to be a huge paranoia/stress factor going on these days. My opinion is that there are certain steps one can take towards getting your ass kick, ie. running your mouth, acting crazy, or resisting arrest. I'm not saying it's right to kick the shit out of some guy, but in most cases the cops probably didn't just swoop him off the street just to kick his ass.
I'm not a registered Democrat, so I don't have a party. Nor do I want one.
He is certainly the moderate between him, Romney and Huckabee, but then again Romney basically was even more left than a moderate at one stage in his career, so he can't be taken seriously. To be honest with you, while I respect McCain for his service, I just don't really like him.
The reason why Martin "picks on" Vinni is because Vinni doesn't seem to accept the fact that there are a lot of corrupt cops out there. I respect city cops such as Vinni and others who have to deal with real danger, not some nonsense such as underage drinking, which is all the police seem to care about here. Small town cops get very little respect from me - total assholes.
And the police aren't always the good guys, Eazy. Just take a look at the entire NYPD while Rudy was running the town.
He is certainly the moderate between him, Romney and Huckabee, but then again Romney basically was even more left than a moderate at one stage in his career, so he can't be taken seriously. To be honest with you, while I respect McCain for his service, I just don't really like him.
The reason why Martin "picks on" Vinni is because Vinni doesn't seem to accept the fact that there are a lot of corrupt cops out there. I respect city cops such as Vinni and others who have to deal with real danger, not some nonsense such as underage drinking, which is all the police seem to care about here. Small town cops get very little respect from me - total assholes.
And the police aren't always the good guys, Eazy. Just take a look at the entire NYPD while Rudy was running the town.
I don't pick on him for being a cop, I'm trying to "reach him" as a guy who happens to be a cop who seems incredibly oblivious to a lot of the crap that Andy and others are outraged about. The fact that he's a cop is incidental here, except for the fact that he's defended some really bad cop conduct a couple of times in the past. He's the expert witness if you will. And if you see a cop abusing his power on some guy one day, wouldn't you somehow feel like you wanted to be reassured by a cop friend of yours that this was unacceptable?
Well you know something? I'm not a surgeon either and I don't know what it's like to be one. But when a surgeon I entrust to perform an operation takes out the wrong kidney or some other major fuckup, I don't care that I don't know what it's like to be him. What we're talking about here is minimal standards of job performance. Noone can reasonably judge the subtleties of every profession, you'd have to know every job. But if I'm an IT guy working for a bank and I make some elementary mistake that causes 500 bank accounts to get compromised including Vinni's, does he have a right to be pissed? Fuck yes. Does he know anything about my job in this hypothetical scenario? No. But the least you expect from a bank is to keep your money safe.
Every job comes with a certain liability factor. The most damage you can do if you screw up. Cop is pretty high on the list, considering they prance around with weapons.
That video Andy just posted. Is there ANY justification for that? Was the woman's life being threatened by the guy in the wheel chair? Did he say he had a bomb in the wheelchair? Enough with the bullshit already, this is outright abuse and let's call a spade a spade.
So if I'm a baggage handler for an airline and you're an asshole customer who treats me badly I can sell your luggage? If he's being an asshole, I'm going to be an asshole, an eye for an eye, yes?
I utterly reject this kind of argument. It goes against everything I believe in. It doesn't matter that a guy is behaving badly or threateningly. It's not the job of a cop to exact some philosophical notion of justice, only the law. I've heard this line from several people now and it really pisses me off. "If he hadn't acted like that he wouldn't get his ass kicked. When a cop tells you to do something, you do it." This is supposed to be the land of the free? Are you fucking kidding me? Where is my freedom to act however I want to act as long as I'm not being a direct threat??? It's not the job of cops to beat people up. Period.
Where is our humanitarianism? Can we not give people a chance despite themselves? If you were paranoid or depressed or drugged up or whatever and it was you out there, wouldn't you want to be given a chance and be treated decently? Where the hell is our decency in all this?
Well you know something? I'm not a surgeon either and I don't know what it's like to be one. But when a surgeon I entrust to perform an operation takes out the wrong kidney or some other major fuckup, I don't care that I don't know what it's like to be him. What we're talking about here is minimal standards of job performance. Noone can reasonably judge the subtleties of every profession, you'd have to know every job. But if I'm an IT guy working for a bank and I make some elementary mistake that causes 500 bank accounts to get compromised including Vinni's, does he have a right to be pissed? Fuck yes. Does he know anything about my job in this hypothetical scenario? No. But the least you expect from a bank is to keep your money safe.
Every job comes with a certain liability factor. The most damage you can do if you screw up. Cop is pretty high on the list, considering they prance around with weapons.
That video Andy just posted. Is there ANY justification for that? Was the woman's life being threatened by the guy in the wheel chair? Did he say he had a bomb in the wheelchair? Enough with the bullshit already, this is outright abuse and let's call a spade a spade.
So if I'm a baggage handler for an airline and you're an asshole customer who treats me badly I can sell your luggage? If he's being an asshole, I'm going to be an asshole, an eye for an eye, yes?
I utterly reject this kind of argument. It goes against everything I believe in. It doesn't matter that a guy is behaving badly or threateningly. It's not the job of a cop to exact some philosophical notion of justice, only the law. I've heard this line from several people now and it really pisses me off. "If he hadn't acted like that he wouldn't get his ass kicked. When a cop tells you to do something, you do it." This is supposed to be the land of the free? Are you fucking kidding me? Where is my freedom to act however I want to act as long as I'm not being a direct threat??? It's not the job of cops to beat people up. Period.
Where is our humanitarianism? Can we not give people a chance despite themselves? If you were paranoid or depressed or drugged up or whatever and it was you out there, wouldn't you want to be given a chance and be treated decently? Where the hell is our decency in all this?
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